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Fine, understood. But why you have turned this into an "America vs. Europe" thing is way beyond me. Since clearly there is much difference of opinion internally within both continents. It should be evident to you that a very significant percentage of Americans disagreed with the actions taken by the Bush administration. Fact is that citizens who speak out against the Bush administration are branded unpatriotic and anti-american.
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quote: I personally believe that Al Queda were working to an unkown extent with the Sadam regime. I will not name call people who disagree with me and quite frankly I don't care if anybody on this board agrees with me or not. Also, personally I don't care what GWB motives were for invading Iraq. I am glad we went in there and captured that primitive pygmie. To sit around complaining about beuracratic technicalities is something that I will leave to the liberal Bush hater scum politicians such as John Kerry, Fat Ted Kennedy and Hilary Clinton. Lets look at John Kerry for instance. I live in MA so I know first hand of this stiff. If this guy had not been a war hero (and I thank him for that) he would have absolutely no chance at all. He is a big government liberal extremist who changes his story at the drop of a hat. For example: He voted for invading Iraq yet now he is against it. He voted for the No child gets left behind act yet now he is against it. He voted for the Patriot act yet now he condemns it  |
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I wasn't attempting to turn this into a America vs. Europe thing. Only responding to several comments made previously that I consider unjust.
Your right, a significant amount of people DO disagree with the Iraqui action. However, most of those are not passionate enough in their disagreement to demonstrate. They believe it's wrong, but they're just....not....sure. That leaves the few who are passionate and credible, and those who are passionate and despicable. We seem to see more of the despicable ones. (i.e. those who vote for war then claim they didn't etc.). It is NOT a fact that people speaking out against the Bush administration are branded unpatriotic nor anti-american. If you challenge the policies of the administration, no one will brand you anti-american. However, if you go to foreign soil, call Bush a liar/moron/redneck/murderer etc during time of war, you earn any grief you recieve when you get back. That's what is referred to as "crossing the line." Criticizing the Pres's policies is one thing, personally ridiculing him for sport on a world stage while people are dying offends most people regardless of their political affiliation, as an insult to America. Hope that makes sense. I have personally not seen one instance of an American calling another anti-american less the instance cited above. But I do see left leaning talking heads on TV claiming it is happening? I take that with a grain of salt. 99 GP800 w/tabs and riva plate GP1300r w/hull reinforcement kit, 13/19, 87 mm, ppk |
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11, obviosly you didn't read and understand what my point was. And no I'm not any of those things you threw out at me and I will refrain from doing the same to you do to respect to Riva. Anybody can hide behind a computer and type name calling, but one wonders what kind of words would come out if it was face to face!
Also it doesn't bother me that much coming from you because that is your style. I simply feel like we have created a new problem that isn't going to go away anytime soon. rp http://home.austin.rr.com/flyingfossil |
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Well it bothers you enough to answer and kind of fall out of argument so you basically physically threaten me (I don't hit women, children and older people).
You came up as a racist before and keep on going, I guess that's YOUR style. 11 Building : 2003 S/S triple STXR (95% completed) 2003 ltd SXR (95% completed) 2001/02 ltd XP (0% completed) |
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quote: quote: So I come from a country that was unfairly invaded and is still occupied by the british in the northern province yet somehow you think they are righteous freedom fighters! That's the best one I've heard in ages  |
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UK is right to fight terrorism and wrong to invade Ireland, one can agree on some point and disagree on others.
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11, there can only be one reason for the way you spout off. (one of several), Either you are high on drugs, mentally ill, or having another one of your forum breakdowns or perhaps all of the above.
You have totally twisted what I said and made it something that has no bearing. The issue was what validates invading countries not color or race. And never have I threatened you. I did however, question how you would be so quick to name calling if the person you were calling names were right there in front of you. Also, don't worry about hitting this old man because I can take care of myself just fine. So you might want to do yourself a favor and contact Susan, who you also seem to have a obsession with, and ask her for some advise on where you can get some much needed help. rp PS. When do you guys sleep? http://home.austin.rr.com/flyingfossil |
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I think 11 was offended by this..
"why don't we invade France? France is one of the biggest supporters of terrorist in the west. It seems everytime there is an attack somewhere in the west, that the plans and attackers went through France. So I say that if the French can't handle the terrorist, why don't we take over France and control the terrorist for them?" Seems to be a miscommunication. Y'all don't get riled up. 99 GP800 w/tabs and riva plate GP1300r w/hull reinforcement kit, 13/19, 87 mm, ppk |
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P.S. The "there were'nt terrorists in Iraq so that is not a good reason to invade Iraq" is a red herring arguement. The administration made no claims of a connection to 9-11 and never claimed Iraq was a den of terrorists as a rational for the war. Bush/Powell etc have publicly said as much BEFORE the fighting began. They HAVE stated that since the war began, terrorists have been infiltrating Iraq. The continuing arrests of terrorists is proof of that.
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quote: So you are not racist, you are xenophobic, sorry for the confusion. You also "only" stated France was a terorist supporter and similar to Iraq, have you ever been to either? quote: In real life my reaction to people's statements is exactly the same if the statement is the same, but for some reasons I still don't determine in the real life I have noticed people try not to talk to me like you just did. That said you have a good one. Your favorite... 11 Building : 2003 S/S triple STXR (95% completed) 2003 ltd SXR (95% completed) 2001/02 ltd XP (0% completed) |
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quote: Absolutely, besides the fact Germany and Italy were somewhat allied to Japan USA declared them war after Pearl Harbour without direct aggression, to me it's a very similar situation and I am more than fine with both cases. 11 Building : 2003 S/S triple STXR (95% completed) 2003 ltd SXR (95% completed) 2001/02 ltd XP (0% completed) |
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Howestek, the point being made was no more than a response to others making points that because a terrorist was captured in Iraq, that this somehow justified why we invaded Iraq. I wasn't advocating and don't think that we need to invade France. I used France as a place because they have a history of terrorist living and being active there because of their Arabic population and proximity to the Arab World. Because of this, the terrorist seem to use France as their connection to the western world. It was just a phrase to make a point that most people knew exactly what I was conveying.
And no it wasn't terrorist connections our administration said was their reason for going to war with Iraq was, but that they had weapons of mass destruction and a danger to the world. Now that same administration is admitting that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and WMD program. So all that that leaves is Sadam. Now everybody I think agrees that he was no good and needed to be removed. I just think that there could have been lots of other ways to have him removed without committing so much of our resources. And that brings us to where we are today, which is stuck in a quagmire that we can't control. The only way a country can get itself out from under ruthless leaders is for the citizens of that country to stand up as a whole and make things right. I truly don't feel that no matter how many times we invade Iraq or any other place in that part of the world that we can change them to our way of life. They have a whole different way of life and simply don't like us and don't trust us. So if you are truly for change, we need to start working on earning their trust, for only then can we influence change in this part of the world. 11, actually I like people from other countries (foreigners) and usually go out of my way to start up a conversation when I run across them to try and learn about their ways. Later and have a good day! rp http://home.austin.rr.com/flyingfossil |
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RP you are sounding a bit hypocritical in my opinion. Wasn't it you no more than 3 or 4 days ago calling me names and now you are upset because you are being called names by 11? You need some thicker skin in my opinion. Either stop calling other people names or stop playing the "hiding behind a keyboard" card when other people call you names. You can't have it both ways.
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No he didn't
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Danny, I guess you have forgotten all the times you threw personal insults at me before that. Nevermind the fact that you posted the first personal insult on the super bowl subject on 1/20/ @ 12:39 pm and I responded at 7 pm later that day.
I then sent you a private e-mail in a attempt to come to some kind of understanding but I never heard back from you so I guess that means you are not interested in being civil. I would be interested if you could show me that I was the first to insult you or call you anything. If you do I will apologize. rp http://home.austin.rr.com/flyingfossil |
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Celtic, you seem to be a nice and intelligent person. I have noticed that in the past you also have been in a few tussles on this forum.
I don't know if you are ever in the US, but if you are and want to come to Texas for some fun, contact me and I will be your host in Austin. I would also take you down to my ranch in south Texas if you would like. Then maybe you could dispell that rumor about me being phobic about foreigners. rp http://home.austin.rr.com/flyingfossil |
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Rpfossil,
That post was directed at those who claim Bush lied to us via a nonexistant claim of an Al Qaida connection to Iraq. I didn't see you make that claim. On the other hand, Bush did claim WMD. I don't believe he lied and I don't believe that his detractors knew if there was or wasn't WMD. However, since none have been found, his detractors assume a defiant air of "I knew all along there were no WMD thus Bush must have lied". Since previous inspections revealed such weapons, and no proof of it's destruction was forthcoming, how can you assume there were none? Soldiers massed on your border, inspectors in your country, yet Sadaam is uncooperative and unwilling to come up with proof of (known)WMD destruction? Where did they go? It seems that the "black helicopter conspiracy theory" has now drifted from the right to the left, if you get my meaning. As far as Iraqui people standing up and determining their own future, that has been attempted. Those people are now planted in the dried up (by Sadaam) swamps of southern Iraq like so many potatoes. As far as improving our image with the majority of the middle east, please refer to previous post concerning Israel. There will be no change in attitude, regardless of expenditure, as long as we support Israel. I hope no one here supports abandoning Israel. However, lifting the yoke from an oppressed people (i.e. shiites), might change some minds. I just hope the Shiites don't watch enough TV to hear people claiming "we did it for the oil". 99 GP800 w/tabs and riva plate GP1300r w/hull reinforcement kit, 13/19, 87 mm, ppk |
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howestek, You make valid points and I have no problem with them.
As for the WMD go, I feel that we over estimated what Saddam was capable of doing from the very beginning. Never did think he was going to put up much of a fight and I also beleive that the administration knew that he wasn't going to be much of a fight. Only history will bare out why we did it. IMO. BTW, how does your 1300r run? rp http://home.austin.rr.com/flyingfossil |
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