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Originally posted by gp12trpl:
Benny and Chris, are you two guys talking about triple piped GPRs beating stock STXRs? if that's the case, do you guys realize how silly that sounds? It's almost embarrasing to read this. Please tell me that you are talking about triple piped or at least heavily modified STXRs, please!

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Mario maybe you missed it but Chris was replying to a post by scott farris. He was not bragging about his piped boat beating a stock stx-r

So what's Benny's excuse? And Chri's post is not clear in that respect, all I see is triple pipe GPR never been beat by STXRs.

I don't know or care what Benny's excuse is. Read the post by chris where he quotes scott farris. Are you trying to tell me that is not clear?

Mario, my post is totaly clear. The guy said in his post that stock STXRs are beating triple pipe GPRs and i'm hear to say that they don't. You gotta read the post.

OK, OK, I get it now, I apologize, however, Danny you being a region 8 racer have seen the Team Scott's STXR, have you not seen that boat repeatedly beat multiple triple piped s/s GPRs again and again even before he installed the pipes? I believe Chris has beat a stock STXR but has he done it on the race course or in a grudge match. I believe Scott Farris was talking about on the track, but hey, maybe I'm still duhhhing along. I saw it again and again. Yes one of the biggest reasons is the rider, that STXR was piloted arguably by the best novice in region 8 but, it still can't take away the fact that it was stock piped and carbed and minimally modded otherwise.

Last weekend, I saw a stock stx-r beat a triple piped carbon fiber STX, a carbon fiber ZXI, a triple piped GPR and a few other skis in a 7 lap moto.

Course he was helped by the fact the inside start was way shorter than the outside, the CF STX rider nearly got flicked in a turn, the GPR bogged on the start and then missed a bouy avoiding the spinning CF STX and by the time the short 7 lap race was over, the stock STXR won.

Comes back to that old saying we hear on sundays (and FSU heard the other night)

"On any given day..."

The bottom line is all brands, all riders, and all mechanics can do what it takes "on any given day", but only the best COMBO can win MOST of the time...

i dont do much cc racing , but we do alot of grudge drag racing on a glass strip inlet in tampa/clearwater fl .......we ride w/ 2 modded stx-r's and 8 or so modded gpr's includeing two triple gpr's........we dont even make passes w/ the 2 triples neither do the stxr's ....whats the point....those triples are too fast to compete w/ in these conditions ....now on a cc the stx-r would be incredible even compared to a triple, but get the triple to hook (skat pump)etc.....see ya .....its only a few $$$$$$$$ lol

Thanks for the kind words Mario but I will not claim to be anywhere near the best in the region.Sometimes a fast ski makes you look good.Hope to see you guys again next year.I really enjoyed meeting you and bill and darryl.With a little more stick time darryl will be hard to beat.The gpr is a missle.i don't understand the brand war deal.It's the same on the ultra board.Makes me want to puke sometimes.

Ray.. There are only a few ways a cf stx could lose to a stock stxr
a] one or more spark plug wires off the stx
b] it was towing one of the other skis around the track
c]rider was on backwards or highly intoxicated.
Enjoy the water while you can fella's it's almost time for mario to change his tagline back to "off the water,freezin my tail off"

Its cool Mario. Yes I watched Team Scotts racing stx and stx-r's dominate at the races I was at this season. That stx boat was so far ahead by the first buoy in PA that it was scary! Nice job Team Scotts!! I haven't raced cc yet myself but it seems like the xpl or the stx-r are the only way to go unless you actually enjoy dumping 20+ grand into a money pit gpr and still losing. That is my honest observation so please gpr guys don't get your panties up in a bunch

scott - you should read my post again. There are more ways than you listed for an STX-R to beat a CF STX. I was there last week, and I have no reason to lie. It wasn't my stock STX-R either.

It's just funny how hype Yami guys get about beating a Kawi, and then when the facts came out, this message went quiet. That is all I was pointing out...

OK... I would keep all the Kawi stuff on the Kawi boards if you guys wouldn't bash the Kawi stuff. Kawi is always on top at the World Finals, has been for a while now. Next, I love this "I'll drag race you..." Who gives a sh*t, there is NO skill in drag racing. Any of you bring your triple pipe and run a 90 min Supercourse aganist me... Also that same boat that I showed (#11) got 2nd in endurance at Nationals, rode by Curtis Reinburg...

So all this "I'll beat you in this condition and that condition, and 1/2 mile and what-not dosen't impress me. I don't care how many mod's you have, if you don't get a good start and are 4 or 5 to the bouy, it doesn't matter how fast your ski is. Also, you need to know how to ride it. And just because you drag race at 70 or 75 DOES NOT mean you know how to ride. I am not a hard a$$ and do not like to talk sh*t, but I will discuss facts anytime...

i know when to bow down to a faster boat. my 800 put's me at a disadvantage because of the smaller motor but even once in a while a guy in a 900 stx or a 900 zxi will wanna race. i have raced them a couple of times and most of the time i will win but the is the occasional time when they will beat.

but it's always fun to pick on the vacationers who think there stuff is all that. i raced a gp1200 right before my boat blew up, the guy was from out of state and thought he gp was the **** with only a prop and some sponsons. i dogged him 3 out of 4 times when we ran in the back bays and out in the ocean. '

just goes to show the little guy does come out on top sometimes

Drag/grudge racing is how RIVA and the speed shops make their money. Its fun and it does take some of the skill out of the game.

The reason you here from a lot of the Yamaha folks here is because Kawasaki is made up to be something it isn't.

For a novice reading this it sounds like the only thing that can compete against a stock STXR is a triple piped GPR. My friend who bought a new STXR is dissapointed from all the hype that came from this board. He likes his ski but it was hyped a little more on this board than it is.

Spud-
I hate to play devil's advocate, but unless yoiu are talking about flat water drag racing, about the only thing that will beat a stock STX-R is a highly modded single or triple piped GPR.

All-
Am I writing in Ebonics? Where did I mention that "parts bin" boat having triples? I was talking stock STX-R. And before you start jumping all over the weight issue, Kawi saved most of the pounds by leaving a few things off the STX-R, like trim handle and cable, mirrors, and a slightly lighter seat. He11, there is your weight savings over a GPR, its in the seat. The Kawis weighs about normal for a seat of that size, the GPR seat could double as an olympic plate down at the gym..... hahahhahhahha


Scottie Mac

Ray,I was joking with you.I don't know what happened in japan but I can tell you this.we have in our race group a triple pipe stx ,a triple pipe stxr,two stxrs with a head and ignition and three stock stxrs.With that said and me having seat time riding all of them.the only ski with a shot against the stx is the triple stxr.And the first bouy better be a quarter mile out.on a short turning track the stx is a major advantage.
truthfully though i was just yanking your chain.sorry if i offended you .Scott

Scott the water doesn't have to be glass in the drag race or racing up the river. Buoy racing I'm sure your probably right. My friends STXR goes 63 low on fuel. Are you saying he got a slow ski? The STXR handles great and rides great. It is horrible on gas. If I was buying a new ski and I didn't live in the "Republik of Kalifornia" I would buy the STXR. I'm just saying don't think you are going to be "King of the River" on a stock STXR. A stage 2 GPR with the right prop and pump will eat its lunch on the river. Probably not the buoy course though.

Spud

How is a stock stxr going to me a modded GPR, in fact even a stock GPR when the stx goes 62mph and the gpr goes at least 64mph....logic tells me the GPR is faster.
For some reason this YAMAHA board promotes the stxr more than even the Kawasaki board......I know its a good boat and I may just buy one to run in a different class, so I can run more than 1 class in a day, but some of you guys make it sound like if you dont have an stxr you may as well quit racing. They get beat all the time in regional races, and I have yet to see another stxr perform even close to Team Kawasaki's 2 boats on tour

Spud,

What did your friend expect? And what does he not like about it? Just curious.

That ski takes some getting used to if you haven't ridden Kawis much before. Of course, there is a learning curve with any ski. I can remember Ray in Japan kinda having a lackluster opinion of it when he first rode it. If I remember correctly, it seems like he almost wished he hadn't bought it, but check his posts lately. Even I wasn't very pumped about the handling of the stock boat; but was impressed with the overall performance. After riding a GPR for a couple years, it was really nice to have something hit hard out of the hole.

If your friend hasn't done any mods already, I would recommend that he get some sponsons right off the bat. I prefer the Beach House, but the Worx are cool too. They really make a diff in the feel, ride and handling of the ski.

acer, you'd be surprised what a properly tuned STXR even in stock configuration can do. I saw it with my very eyes again and again, on the track the Kaw is hard to beat, it WILL take the holeshot and once the GPR's are riding in it's jetwash they are not going ot reach their potential, that is true of any jet propelled vessel but particularly so of the GPR specially with the stock pump. On the track it doesn't matter if your top speed is 60-70-or 80 it matters how quickly you get there. For now the STXR even in top pro factory racer form tops out at around 73 mph, but you don't see them loosing do you? Top speeds are only for long distance grudge racers, the GPR might have the top, but it takes too long to get there.

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Originally posted by Spud:
The STXR handles great and rides great. It is horrible on gas.
Spud

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Not sure what your comparison is, but my bone stock GPR used about 18% more fuel yesterday than Jarrett's modified STXR and his did a few more speed runs. (Pointless to bother with mine and before it crapped out, again.)

dc