..so how bout them Buc's?

outta here. See you guys after the war.

Well this has developed nicely since I've been away!
I do not hate Americans. My sister was born in the US. I lived there as a kid. Came to Ireland when I was 11. I am forever talking about the american way of life and telling my friends how great it is over there.
But I do not agree with your govt actions abroad. Without getting to outspoken, they in my opinion operate in a terrorist fashion aswell. The Iraqi's never bombed the US and are not responsible for 911. Definatly go after the bastards that were resposible. I know people who died in the towers. There were plenty Irish over there at the time. Friends of my sisters died in Bali. We all have been afected by terrorism some how or another. But this unsubstaniated threat to mainland US by the Iraqis is bull****. What you (your govt) are doing is fueling futher hatred and loathing for the US. This will lead to a cycle of hatred that will continue through this generation of youngsters in the middle east.This hatred will be vented at the US. So by this "pre-emptive" strike it is in actual fact opening up a can of worms for your country and anyone who is assosiated with it. I dont want to see any innocent US person hurt anymore than I do any innocent Iraqi.
The current Bush administration is made up of Fundamentalists in there own right.
What needs to be done to help settle the crisis in the middle east is sort out the Israli/Palestinian conflict and seriously look at the needs of the palestinians. Help them and ease the tension, the actions of the suicide bombers is outragous but motivated by a real feeling of frustration and anger.
Iraq is not the problem! Saddam is a ***** . But you cant oust him because you dont like him! If you do, that is Terrorisim in all its glory.
By the way GPeiRe never said anything against the US, I did. He was just expressing his dislike for the racist crap featured in COPs website.
There is so much more I would like to say in response, but I feel it would be pointless as you dont want to listen or open your eyes. I dont dislike you for your opinion i just dont agree with it!

IRISH DO YOU HAVE PROOF SADDAM ISNT INVOLVED WITH TERRORISM....I DOUBT IT

DO WE HAVE PROOF THAT SADDAM PAYS OFF THE FAMILYS OF SUICIDE BOMBERS...YES WE DO ...ENOUGH SAID

Im so sick of this foolishness.Let the satelite guided missles fly.**** lets drop some nuclear goodies and see what sadamms 20,000 liters of stowed away anthrax do then...Or how about his 30,000 liters of botchulism he got under his kitchen sink....All of you people that disagree with this war....Lets see how you feel about it when one of these suicide bombers leaves some RICIN on you mother's doorstep and her eyes burn out of her head.....

I would also like to add that we are not JUST going after those responsible for 9/11. We are going after terrorists in general...where ever they are or behind whatever flag they stand behind. If a country is a know supporter of a terrorist group then their on the list! We as Americans don't get off to messing with other countries or their problems, we have enough of our own here. there comes a time however that that is no longer an option. This is one of those times. I live in America, Work in America, and have and will forever fight for America, even if I don't agree with why. I have been all the way around the world twice and have yet to see another country that is a better place to live.

Another thing I want to mention is, if you ask the MAJORITY of American citizens you will find that we have nothing against the people of Iraq or any other country. The governments of those countries are who we want to get at.

People want to blame the U.S. for their problems all the time. The single biggest reason for this IMO is that we are (way too) often called apon to bail countries out of whatever crisis they are having and after that is done we are expected to stay around and clean everthing up. My friends who were in Somila will tell you this for sure.

We as Americans also LOVE Ireland! You guys are the ones who invented green beer.

Your repeating yourself, thats why you think this is foolish. You compare Saddam to Hitler. If you had your way Badass-hole you would be responsible for the deaths of 100's of 1000's of innocents in the middle east. That scenario is to scary to contemplate. Dropping atomic weapons! you clown you! Get a life!
Which bombers did Saddam pay. The 911 bombers?
Dont forget dont always believe what you read or hear. Especially in a country gripprd by pre-war media propeganda. Just look to the past, the US involvement in Vietnam was supposedly as a result of the attack in the gulf of Tonkin all a big fabrication it never happened!! You are being fed lies by the media who are controlled by people in places of power.
Look at Mr. Murdoch's views and then ask yourself why SKY/Fox take their particular view point. Try and weed out some other forms of opinion apart from those given to you by these biased publications and broadcasts. There is another side to this story. Open your eyes!

I agree, a nuclear response would be a disaster of epic proportions. I don't like the way Bush seems so convinced on that approach either. If I remember the textbooks right, the only way a nuclear response becomes unavoidable is during the release of a biological weapon of undetermined nature.

Badass-Hole....I kind of like that.....Your pretty creative...Maybe you can get a job fabricating stories with saddam.HMMMMM Maybe you had a leading role in writing his arms declaration...

GPieRE stated:
"Daddy,I removed my "stupid remark" comment from my last post, just as you edited yours and made it look "all good". So we're settled on that."

"So were clear on that" the only edit to my post was the addition to the last paragraph. So whats your point ?

Smackwave stated:
"Oh, come off it JETSKIDADDY. Saying "you should know exactly what we are dealing with" is just asinine, and I hope you realize that."

"Come of it" " I guess I must not realize it" What so asinine about that ? its all true, both our counties have one or another type of terrorisiom issues that need to be delt with.

Smackwave stated:
"even with the Sept 11 attacks by living in the US you're in about the safest place on earth."


How do you figure that ? We cant even keep people and drugs from being smuggled across our boarders. Let alone sometype of Bio/Chem agents ?
Our boarders are week !!

IRISH....He may not have paid the 9/11 bombers directly..but he does fund terrorism....If you help one you help them all.....Excuse me for lumping all terrorist together...I dont think one is better than the other....How about you.


There is no reason for name calling either.Although the badass-hole thing was cool there is no need for it.But if you want to get into it we can...Im from an irish section in south Boston.I see plenty of dumb(mostly drunk) irish man and have many names to call you.I dont choose to resort to name calling because its pointless.You express your veiws and i express mine...I dont like yours and you dont like....So What!!!!

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France has "buddied up" to Iraq for financial and security reasons. They have many financial interests in Iraq and Iraq also owes them a lot of money. They believe that if they are Iraq's buddy they won't have too worry about terrorism or being terrorized. They are a country of self serving cowards in my book. France needs to grow a hair on their A** and choose what they believe in if that's possible.

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Yup, that's about the way I see it too....

Hey Buffy,
losing what battle? - to you - I don't think so. I wasn't wondering why you put that T in front of Ireland. I understood. That's why I didn't bother to ask. I just thought it was pretty stupid, like all the other stuff that made you look stupid, like you thinking Yamaha was an american company. Laughed my a$$ off at that. Do you get watered twice a week?

gpiere, since you are so smart, you might want to go back and read my post. I said that you were on a american forum sponsored by Yamaha.
BTW, you are on Riva (Florida, USA) forum and they have a lot of yamaha stuff.
And since you and your buddy are all so smart, tell the rest of the forum what good ever came out of Ireland except to members of this board who likes Sadamm.

Bouef,
well I also explained how it was an international forum - but you seem to have forgotten that too. Maybe you were up late watching wrestling again or something. You said it was an american forum sponsored by "YAMAHA" in big capital letters..... so it's obvious what the incorrect point you were trying to make was. And you're still not man enough to admit it. I am fully aware where Riva is located. I should know because I was buying stuff in their store just over a week ago . If you don't
believe me So riva have a lot of yamaha stuff..... Well thanks for the tip - I'd never have guessed that with website URL like www.rivayamaha.com

So smart - no.
Smarter than you - well that ain't saying much is it?

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Hey elbow,
You dont listen do you. No body here likes Saddam, try and get that through your thick head! I dont agree with what your Govt are trying to pull off. Thats my point!
And as for south Boston boy. Im happy for ya that you meet lots of drunk Irish guys walking around your neighbourhood, maybe you should move, or is it that when your preaching all sorts of crap about nukeing half of the middle-east these guys wont challenge you on it? They are just happy that you are buying em beers and ranting and raving.
As for calling you a name well it was rather fitting considering the $hit you wrote.

Just making a point with the name calling thing...There is no need of it...

Like i said before ...I dont give 2 warm $hits about your opinion on my Govt...And im sure you feel the same.

Level iraq...Put the stars and stripes on the pole right in the middle of bahgdad.And make IrishGP buy his oil from US....In a perfect world of course

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irish and dublin i think your forgeting one important fact. it was the u.n. and the security council that mandated over 12yrs ago that saddam get rid of all his garbage. it,s been 12yrs of saddam snubbing his nose at the world.now what does the world want to do give him more time. i for one believe he has had eneough time and it;s time to do something about it.as far as the vietnam comment i am a viet vet one that got wounded overthere and one who lost a few friends to enemy fire. there was alot more reason,s that got us involled in vietnam than the tonkin gulf incident i suggest you read more into the history of that period of time.

I haven't weighed in on this yet, but here goes.

First off, I think it was IrishGP12 or whatever his name is said on the second page something about America has its own brand of terrorism. STOP RIGHT THERE. Flying planes into buildings and killing over 3,000 people, bombing nightclubs in Indonesia, and blowing up Israeli buses is terrorism, plain and simple. Liberating a country with a repressive, tyrant dictator is NOT terrorism, no matter what some panty wastes in this world think.

Simple fact is this. After the finest and fastest moving military in the world spearheads its way into Iraq and Saddam has no idea what hit him, that military will quickly take control and that a**hole will be gone. Some say it will de-stablize the region. I say our presence will cut off terrorist ties in the region. Bush said after 9/11 that this war will not be short, will take a long time, and will take resolve. You Irish guys may not have heard this, but we Americans did and I for one remember it and know why we are going into Iraq now. Saddam may have terrorists training in his country, maybe not. But, one thing is for sure. One more a**hole will be gone from this earth when he's gone and a lot of weapons will be out of the hands of a whacko.

You Irish guys don't have to like what our government does, but guess what....thats why its our government and not yours. You have experienced domestic terrorism for hundreds of years and its not fun by any means. It is not the same as flying planes into buildings and sending bio/chem weapons through the mail.

On the subject about using nukes on Iraq. I think Bush is right about that too. If Saddam decides to use chem/bio weapons on our troops, I say nuke the bastards and let God sort them out when its done. I also think to help end terrorism we should steamroll Saudi Arabia on the way to Iraq. Make it the parking lot for the Super Center we are about to make out of Baghdad.

In closing I want to echo what Fercho's signature says. If you're American, you don't have to agree with the president or like him, but support him in times of war. AND ESPECIALLY SUPPORT YOUR MILITARY, WHERE IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM WE'D BE SPEAKING GERMAN OR JAPANESE. That goes for you Irish too. You'd be named Adolf or Herbert if it wasn't for hundreds of thousands of American troops layin it on the line and dying on European soil.

You're either with us or with bin Laden, Saddam and the rest of the a**holes in this world so make up your minds.

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Originally posted by mizzouyamaha:
You're either with us or with bin Laden, Saddam and the rest of the a**holes in this world so make up your minds.

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Amen, no more room for people to say they're on the sidelines and allow safe harbor for terrorists. They're either in on the hunt or in the way.

Amen guys, you're either with us or you're with them. If you're not with us, don't come cryin to me when some Islamic terrorist maniac sets off a bomb and kills one of your loved ones because he doesn't like your religion. The muslims have driven out the Christians and killed them in every country they ever inhabited. There is no "talking" to this kind of mentality, wake up people.