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Jumper I'm really suprised to hear that from a fellow brother in arms. I have been in for...well lets just say longer than eight years. It's almost a given that military people go republican. Case in point, Clinton while he was in, his idea of a military pay raise was CLA(coast of living allowence) -.5%. Thats right -.5%. I could not beleive how much Bush push our salairies up when he got in, It was so long over due. I have spent many nights in a tent some were in south west asia and loved every minute of it. Why' because it was the right thing to do, Somthing I think our socitiy has forgotten about. THEIR ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE EVIL and the world is a better place with out them. As far as the oil thing..sure America is interested in it's future which does include crude oil it's a fact of life. As far as the other countries that are in the axis of evil, you must pick and choose your battles. Never forget that men payed for the ground that we walk on with their blood.
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quote: The problem with that is that most of the times those people that are evil are people that our gov. put in power and armed. I back all our guys in the armed service and what they do for this country but I have a question for you guys. Why do your commanders or whoever is in charge, always tell these thugs that they are trying to eliminate, their plans 2 weeks in advance. If they truly wanted to capture or kill these people, then why don't they just surprise them. These terrorist leaders have to be laughing at our army and their true lack of brains at which they fight them. Or do they just think that these people are stupid and will just sit there when they know they are coming. They will just vanish and pop up somewhere else to continue the fight. This kind of war could go on for ever. Perhaps our leaders like to drag things out for some unknown reason. If your not in a conflict to win, then what is the point? quote:It sure would be a shame to learn that Americans gave their lives for what they believed in, only later to learn that there were other motives involved. rp |
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quote: Ahh yes this is a bit surprising even coming from you RP. Ya gotta love these armchair generals huh guys? You say our army has a "lack of brains" huh? You are way out of line, dead wrong as usual, and as usual have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Terrorist leaders run like rabbits from us, they are not "laughing at us", quite the opposite really, they are hiding like little rats. We do not announce two weeks in advance to the enemy that we are coming to attack them, that is the stupidest claim I have ever heard and has absolutely no truth to it. This message has been edited. Last edited by: DannyC, |
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Danny, If you would just do a little home work and pay attention to what is going on, you would know that our intent to attack Fallujah was broadcast all over the news here and over there and it started at least 2 weeks before we went in. These terrorist always know what we are planning and how to avoid capture by just watching tv. Its this Drug head Rush type of mentallity that thinks these people are scared rabbits & rats and not very intelligent that prevents us from wiping them out. And all these attacks on our troops and the Iraqi forces will continue, and so will terror attacks elsewhere, till we change some of our thinking on what we are against. So Danny, you not agreeing with me is very predictable and I really am not surprised. But you can dammmm sure bet, until some changes are made on how we go after these people, they will continue to grow and keep attacking.
Actually the question was to the guys in the armed services to try to get some feed back on why we seem to always make our plans known to anyone that wants to know. I think that our men on the front lines might not want the enemy knowing what they are about to do. I also guess it would be safe to say that your reply was just another of your personal attacks of name calling sarcasm that you like to use, or is it just my thin skin? rp |
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The only name I called you was armchair general and I am calling you it again. You nor I have absolutely any intelligence whatsoever regarding what the military generals are or aren't doing so please don't speak as if you know what is really going on over there because you don't have a clue. And if you think terrorist leaders are not hiding from us like little rats then you need to wake up and take the blinders off my friend. Are you saying that Bin Laden is not hiding from us right now as we speak? He is hiding out like the little cowardly spineless rat that he is. Why do you think these terrorists make beheading video's and hide their faces in the video's? They are cowards plain and simple.
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Danny, it very simple what I said before you went off and started hurling insults. I was questioning why if we wanted to capture or eliminate these terrorist leaders, then why do we give advance warning as to what our plans are? I find that policy as having fatal flaws. Did we capture or kill any of the leaders? No and we won't as long as we continue to give them advance notice that we are about to attack. Surely if I knew what we were planning in Falluja weeks before the attack started, then the enemy also knew.
Bin Laden is avoiding being captured so he can continue recruiting and planning of more attacks. He and all these terror leaders are a lot smarter than most Americans give them credit for and that is one of the problems. And the terrorist wear mask because they know if you can't recognize them they can mix in with everybody else. They probably just left their station with the Iraqi Army or Police and are wondering why its so easy to mix in and out. I see events unfolding and sometimes I don't understand why they went down the way they did, so I was asking for some feedback and thoughts from someone in the armed forces. I thought they might be able to shed some light on these problems but that is where you began with your insults. rp |
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Your statement that the US military has a "lack of brains" was very offensive to me and I am sure it was offensive to many others. What makes it so offensive is that it is completely untrue. Our military is outstanding and your ignorance is extremely irritating. Maybe you can call Tommy Franks and explain to him how to plan a war.
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Danny, If you don't like my questioning of the guys in the service of this whatever the hellll you want to call it, pattern of their leader's letting the terrorist know in advance of their plans of attack, too bad. Any 15 yr old knows that if you inform someone that you are about to try and capture him, chances are slim to non that that person will be waiting there when you go in. That is what I am having a problem with on this war on terror. Its that pattern of disreguard for his intelligence that I am having a probem with. It's this policy that when used, that I called brainless and wanted someone in the service to give some feedback on because maybe I am missing something. If I did call Franks and talked to him, I wouldn't explain how to run a war, but I would ask him about this issue and make a few suggestions.
Danny, I have the highest regard for our armed forces and also think that they are the best in the world. But this war on terror is a whole new ballgame and the people we are fighting are different also. There are also groups of resistance fighters that just don't want us in their country and they are also a problem that some people didn't forsee. No matter we are over there and right in the middle and we need to get these problems resolved. And it starts with rounding up all the leaders of the resistance. This debackle won't end untill these leaders are put under control or killed. I for one don't want this Iraq thing to drag out for the next 10 yrs or so and then we wind up pulling out and leave a bigger mess than when we started. I'm not so sure about some of you though. So what I find extremely irritating is your ignorant attitude about questioning what our military does sometimes and asking for some sensible explanations.  |
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Well you sure do have a terrible way of wording things sometimes. We do not call the enemy two weeks ahead of time and alert them we are coming so please already enough with that idiotic claim.
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Danny, please don't put words into something that was never said. Yes that would be an idiotic claim to say that our leaders call the enemy two weeks ahead of time and alert them. Take a little time when you read it this time and see if you can't come up with the right meaning of my point. They don't need to call them, because all they want to know is being broadcast on TV or the news. I think that just about any meathead can see where I was coming from and probably wonders the same thing. Every time our Army is going to make a move it is being broadcast all over the news. I and most people I know all feel that this is no way to surprise someone when you want to capture them or fight a war on terrorist.
I wouldn't allow news media personel in a combat zone and wouldn't give any information until I had finished my job. I didn't know I would have to spell it out in such detail for you to get my point. Have a happy Thanksgiving  rp |
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"Why do your commanders or whoever is in charge, always tell these thugs that they are trying to eliminate, their plans 2 weeks in advance"
"These terrorist leaders have to be laughing at our army and their true lack of brains at which they fight them" "Yes that would be an idiotic claim to say that our leaders call the enemy two weeks ahead of time and alert them." 99 GP800 w/tabs,RIVA plate,pv clips,R&D grate,14/19 GP1300r w/hull reinforcement kit, 13/19, 87 mm, ppk,r&d intake,RIVA plate inserts |
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Again, no surprise coming from you howestek.
quote: quote: Again for you mentally challenged, I never said they call them and tell them they are coming, but that their plans are broadcast on the news everywhere so these people know what we are doing. And yes they have to be laughing at this policy. If you still don't understand, then you just don't want to which also doesn't surprise me. So if some of you want to keep insisting that our plans of attack are not being broadcast all over the news and that something needs to be done about it, fine you keep thinking that, but its this type of policy that lets these leaders escape and continue leading uprisings somewhere else. This message has been edited. Last edited by: rpfossil, |
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Again,
RpFossil said "Why do your commanders or whoever is in charge, always tell these thugs that they are trying to eliminate, their plans 2 weeks in advance" And then, after much moronic crawfishing, RpFossil said " Danny, please don't put words into something that was never said. Yes that would be an idiotic claim to say that our leaders call the enemy two weeks ahead of time and alert them" Your arguement is with yourself. Its hilarious watching someone deny what they said only a few paragraphs previous. Are you Kerry and did you run for president?? Which statement was actually your honest opinion? Why do you deny your first post (which had absolutely NO mention of the press or news)? Danny called you on it, now you deny it, claim you didn't say it. Fact is, you did say it and now resort to name calling to defend your indefensible statements. Sad. BTW, I printed your own words. Strange that your own words should upset you so. 99 GP800 w/tabs,RIVA plate,pv clips,R&D grate,14/19 GP1300r w/hull reinforcement kit, 13/19, 87 mm, ppk,r&d intake,RIVA plate inserts |
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quote:And Falluja wasn't the first time this has happened. This was my following post to clear up any misunderstanding that he may have had. So if you want to insist that I didn't mention any thing about the media, again it doesn't surprise me. I made it very clear as to what my intent was. Howe its clear what you intent is and that is to try and start some cocka. I would like for you to quote me as to where I said that our leaders "call" these terrorist and give them our plans. I never said that and gave him a very clear meaning of what I was talking about in my second post following his first. If you can use my own words where I said "call them", then I will admit to your ramblings. Why don't we try something different? Now that It is very clear as to what my point was, why don't you give feedback on what my question was? Then we can see how some of you feel about these issues. rp This message has been edited. Last edited by: rpfossil, |
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howestek said
"Why do you deny your first post (which had absolutely NO mention of the press or news)? fossil said "So if you want to insist that I didn't mention any thing about the media, again it doesn't surprise me." Where in the your first post (which I specifically alluded to)is the mention of media????? Does your first post swimming in your head differ from your first post in this thread? Your first post bashes the military, not the press, despite your protestations to the contrary. If your "intent" was to protest media irresponsibility, then why was there no mention of media in your first post? There was no mention by you of "Media,press,etc" until after Danny protested. If you are incapable of admitting that fact, then I truely feel for you. First RpFossil said "Why do your commanders or whoever is in charge, always tell these thugs that they are trying to eliminate, their plans .... Then RpFossil said "I would like for you to quote me as to where I said that our leaders "call" these terrorist" Is this one of those "depends on the meaning of what "is" is" questions? Can you find anywhere in this post where I claimed you used the word "call" in reference to the terrorists? I sense you are incapable of realizing (or admitting)your provocative initial statements, thus this thread has become counter productive. I will waste no further time trying to make the blind see (at least for this post). 99 GP800 w/tabs,RIVA plate,pv clips,R&D grate,14/19 GP1300r w/hull reinforcement kit, 13/19, 87 mm, ppk,r&d intake,RIVA plate inserts |
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I have made it quite clear since Danny's first post as to what I was refering to. I looked back after his first post and saw where he might have taken my point wrong and immediately made it more clear as to where I was coming from. But this did not change his or your attack mode. I even tried to be direct with the problem and you have continued your verbal attack which obviosly is your style.
So I will ask again, what are your thoughts on how our military gives out information on what they are doing via the news media and don't allow them to be in the area where there is an on going operation so anybody that wants to know what they are doing will know? I also made it clear that that is the policy that I was refering to. But this did not change his or your attack mode. I even tried to be direct with the problem and you have continued to beat a dead horse. Now if this is not direct enough then it is I who feel sorry for you (howe). Anybody (other than howe) that wants to throw in their thoughts on this please do and maybe we can move on with productive ideas on dealing with these insurgents. rp |
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quote: It is so pathetic it is laughable isn't it? |
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