Well I finally was able to get wet again. First time out with the Island Racing pump mod was not mind blowing. The water conditions were unfortunatelly not suitable for numbers but I can say one thing, seat of the pants impression, the pump helps me stay hooked better in chop, acceleration seems a little better too, but I have no way of measuring that as Carl doesn't have the stalker with the computer hookup and all the bells and whistles. because my setup was not fine tuned at the end of last season and water temps are maybe 10 degrees less that when I was last on the water, my revs were lower as I went from rich last year to lean this year, Carl richend it up a bit and revs came up a bit, but due to deteriorating water conditions the speed went down and further tuning would have ben fruitless.

I did 3 passes in a row before Carl touched the boat. All pegged exactly at 64.8 mph on radar(65.1 on my GPS, newly upraded by Garmin for me)@7080 rpm on a tiny tach with an ocassional peak of 7110-7130, that is 100 Rs less than last year. Now here's what ****** me off, Carl gets on my boat and instantly the speed goes up, his pass was 66.8 mph, this is one of those times I hate being short and pudgy instead of gazelle like like Carl Also, Carl has a point, I dont like the cold and I set myself up with drysuit and floatation jacket which fills up with air and basically probably acts like a shute, acccording to Carl there is 1 mph being lost, frankly I think he's a little high on that figure, maybe .5 or ,75 in my opinion

Carl's boat did over 74 mph on every pass, matching my acceleration at first second but instantly edging me till the mid range maybe 2.5 seconds after whe his boat just shoots ahead like a rocket. However last week he was out after dinging up his pump and bending the prop, he was turning in consistent 76mph, he just put a new prop with a custom bend on his boat and feels he overdid it as his revs were down too and efter richening mixture revs lowered more. One thing, I rode Carl's boat and it is a strong accelerating boat with plenty of top end, however specially for me, any amount of chop and it will porpoise to no end, I had a very hard time with it, Carl knows it and controls it , but once the wind picked up it was impossible to get numbers. My boat might be slower, but there's nary a hint of porpoising with it and if they appear just a quick shift in body possitioning stops it in it's tracks, but even so I don't think I could have caught Carl. Anyway next week hopefully better conditions and better numbers. All in all, even though my numbers are down ( I understand the reasons) I am not mad at today's results specially seeing how much better my boat stays hooked up thanks to the Island Racing pump mod.

[ 03-09-2002: Message edited by: gp12trpl ]

Thanks for the update Mario. My favorite posts to read on this forum are the ones from members who just got back from testing at the water Spring is almost here Mario, what prop are you running with those numbers?

13/20, banged up, has a pretty nasty ding on one of the blades, but I figured this is the one I got numbers with last summer so I'd use it, but now I'm remembering where the ding probably came from and it was the last ride after speed passes, tide was down and I ended up on some pretty shallow stuff sucking up sand and our sand here's pretty rough, wouldn't be the first time I ding up props with it. It's very possible my woosie numbers are due to this wonderful little chunk on my impeller. Today we were chasing the tide too, by the time Carl flushed his boat you could already see bottom where we were riding. That's where Carl ruined his prop and pump last week. I think now that I have a seat of the pants impression of the improvement CArls pump provided, I'm swapping props for the 14/20 and maybe send another 14/20 I have to Impros so I can try a custom bend. after this hull will be torn down and Bullett stuff will be installed if Bullett gets their act together and send out instructions on how to put this mess together.

Custom Colombian Pitch

Ahh of course u know about the CCP, but hey man don't say nothing, check your e-mail aait? shhh mums the word.

HEY JUST WONDERING,, WITH A "LONG ISLAND RACING" BLUEPRINTED PUMP SHOULDED U BE DOING LIKE 70MPH ATLEAST...JUST GOING BY WHAT I HEAR SOME PEOPLE SAYING ON THIS THING...

There are many other factors involved in the 70 mph boats, not just a hyped up stator, as I suggested in my previous post, my prop is in BAD shape, and in addition to this my pump shoe is not exactly where it belongs. Island Racing did not, I repeat DID NOT seal and adjust my shoe, work on the grate or do any thing other than what I've already mentioned. If all it took was blueprinting a pump, then all those that have sent their pumps to ProTec for blueprinting would be doing 70-75 or whatever. So let's get real sponge and lets keep this thread civil, your inflamatory remarks are uncalled for and unfair to Island when I'm responsible for the lack of speed on my boat.
I hope this clears your misgivings sponge, I didn't start this thread to give those of you that enjoy the game of flame any fuel, I did it to share my experinces and initial observations of this pump. READ CAREFULLY, conditions were not optimum for speed runs of ANY kind as has been the case for the past couple of weeks, my carbs ARE NOT properly tuned, again MY handywork, maybe I should have come on this thread and lie about how impressed I was with the new addition to my boat and that it makes it litteraly FLY. I don't think so, I'm writting this to document my experience including any changes or improvements I now, hopefully with Carl's help, can achieve.

[ 03-10-2002: Message edited by: gp12trpl ]

Mario, keep up the documentation. Also lets not forget here that tides and currents can inflate/deflate mph considerably. I have seen a 5-7 mph swing based on tides and current. You guys need to find a inland area or lake that is not effected by tides and currents or as much. Also could do runs in opposite directions back to back and average out. I could easily find an area where I could go 76+ on the gun, but in reality I'm doing say 73 corrected. Need to keep this stuff in your equation. Nothing was mentioned, but you wrote a piece of info that tipped off the issue. I am just trying to match apples and apples, and I think it prudent to factor any influences to the numbers.

I appreciate your comments on the rough water issues and handling. Straight scoop and it makes sense. There is give and take in all setups.

Brett@TSI

hey why don,t you cut to the chase and just buy the skat pump? glen sent me one to try and use this year. the difference is night and day. boat has great holeshot and stays in the water. 2-3 mph gain. he made me a special prop, but i have to keep the pitch quiet. am i going to see your boat on the line in region 8? mookymonkey

Just a word about the tide in this testing area ---the water "height" is affected by the tide not the direction---speeds are unaffected by the tide and may even be detrimental because the water enter and exits through a small inlet from the side 1/4 mile from the radar run,and this area is subject to a heavy side wind--the skis would easily pick up a few mph if they were going with the current or"downstream". South shore testing would produce even higher #'s than this north shore testing area just because of the more ideal testing conditions.These were "real world conditions"and unfortunally the single slowed down to only 74+ with an "over the edge" prop and in the choppy conditions,(not bad for a ski set up to run "only" in the glass)--- but that is what testing is all about-cant have ideal conditions all the time.
Mario's ski was solid as a rock and rode like it was on rails,due to the handling components on it but at the cost of top end.

tide not efect over speed ?
please these is long island not lake havasu

Only water "height" is affected in this area with out affecting the current??? For that to happen... your water is evaporating quite rapidly. Trust me Carl ......if your water is "sinking" (losing height) you've got current everywhere the water is (losing height).....and it's heading in one direction..........out to sea.


Glad to hear YOU are now willing to admit that your set-up is for GLASS water speed runs only......About a year ago when all this BIG SPEED #'s out of New York was being proclaimed.........you didn't even hint at this..........just that it was possible to get a stock GPR well into the 70's...........I guess the mistake we all made was that we assumed all handling was still intact and your water wasn't evaporating at the speed of light.


Glad we don't have to read into everyone's posts like that............but then you are a stand up guy aren't ya Carl. Now we're suppose to believe that losing water height has no current and in NO WAY effects your GPS'd or radar runs.


Makes me kinda want to go out to Old Faithful .....radar the run on my GPR when she blows, and come back in here and say........"yep, rising water will not effect the radar speed either".

You truly are a gift to this Forum Carl.

Here i go again and have to reexplain what i wrote in a previous post-----as i said the tide does not affect speed-where i radar--period! it would where it goes in and out at the small canal 1/4 mi away from the side--so if water current is sidewaws if anything further hurting the conditions.
You can pick and analyze all you want----how bout this--tide was on way out---we might have been going against it and #would be even higher???-
But DMD our forum expert has spoken and thats our final word------lets see 76+3=79for the tide but -6 if i go the other way----gives me lets see, oh 76corrected speed---------gimme a break
oh did i mention stock bore,stock carbs(rejetted,stock head, pump gas????? hmm maybe i forgot---oh cat in---what else?????no high power ADA head on this bad boy---and holeshot just as good as a higher comp., lower prop ski
two can play the attitude game---least some of us can back it up--or should i say back it up faster

I dont usually post on these forums because im the biggest rookie out there. Ive learned so much from u guys its amazing. The info and knowledge on this board goes beyond any other i have ever seen.

But....
This has to stop. This post was going to be one that would be helpful for soooo many. And now because some people cant get past their personal grudges this post is going to go to **** .

Ive met Carl many a times. And if uve ever talked to him u would realize he knows his stuff.

carl eats,drinks,sleeps this stuff-thats why his skis are so fast!!

so,
im gonna sit back and hope that this thread goes in the right direction again. I'll be bracing myself for the worst tho

Cosca-a more civilized answer for you.
down the south shore the incoming,outgoing tides affect testing depending on where and when you test----and believe me weve looked for all the spots down there--even freeport ramp is highly affected unless its "slack tide"--the 2 hours you get between changeover.there are a lot of spots in the marshlands that weve found to have calm water most of the time--but you can only test in there at slack tide. Notrh shore,at the area where i test,is unaffected by the incoming, outgoing tide, but is subject to chop and wind because it doesnt have the protection as the marshlands do

Usually those that explain themselves the FIRST time in a correct, non-misleading, no "hidden" agendas, "I'll give you 'world class'information/claims without anything to back it up"......don't have to keep coming back and re-explaining every post they make.

I'm no expert Carl.....just one of many that have asked questions that you don't like........period. We all realize that you have talent. It's just sad that you've somehow confused the word "talent" for "taunt". And to make matters worse....."taunt" that has to be explained over and over.........'cause it don't make no sense.

As for "backing it up faster"??? You definetly have the fastest GPR for glass conditions, with "sinking water" that NOW has "sideways current", on ONE particular flat in LI, New York, that is available to all in a "detuned" version.

Ryan.......he's all yours.

[ 03-10-2002: Message edited by: Drink My Dust ]

Ok...
I agree with Carl. Both he and Greg spend millions of hours sleeping and wondering how much more power they can pull out of these skis. With the right set up......it's sweet! I know from living with Greg that when you take it to the water like Mario did....the conditions will affect the numbers. But you also can feel the ski beneath you...if it feels good......run it!!!

HEY GUYS,I LIVE IN THE SAME AREA AS CARL DOES HIS TESTING.CARLS RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH TIDE COND-WIND-SLACK TIDE AND MARSH COVERAGE. CARL IS JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU GUYS ACCURATE SPEEDS, HE'S DEALING WITH MANY DIFFERENT WATER AND WIND CONDITIONS ON LI THAT MAY THROW OFF THE MPH. TODAY, MARCH 10, WAS OUT JETSKIING - EXTREME HIGH WINDS AND LOW TIDE. GOT INACCURATE SPEED READINGS DUE TO THESE CONDITIONS. HATE TO SAY IT, BUT CARL KNOWS HIS SURROUNDINGS DURING HIS TESTING.

DUKE OF KAWASAKI

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Originally posted by Drink My Dust:

Glad to hear YOU are now willing to admit that your set-up is for GLASS water speed runs only......About a year ago when all this BIG SPEED #'s out of New York was being proclaimed.........you didn't even hint at this.........

You truly are a gift to this Forum Carl.

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I'm sure Carl can fight his own battles, but since I started this thread, I have to mention, that his is not the first time Carl talks about the type of water he rides, prefers and enjoys in this forum, so he's not finally willing to admit this or that.

I'm going to agree with Brett about the currents though, as I've experieced these performance changes myself and yesterday I know for a fact my boat was running faster heading away from the radar but we took no readings like that. I also think that had we done it, there would have been some error introduced by my marker spout as I haven't removed it yet so it would have been meaningless.

this is not meant towards carl but to everyone in general . i think that in order to get accurate radar data it can not be done in the ocean , period . it needs to be done on ponds or small lakes , but thats just my opinion . no matter where you are on the acean, if its got a tide then there is current, if its a side current then it will affect the data not because of the "side " current but because of the bottom surface . if the current comes in from the side ,front , or back , it can swirl and other strange things that nobody can see or understand .its the bottom surface geography that tells the water what to do. the ocean is out for accurate data , but hey thats just me .