Have been talking to a couple people to see if maybe a open class could be ran.And who would anyone who would be interested

Kind of like race what ya bring kind of thing. This would probably interest some BB builders and some riders who have been in the game a while. Or who may have left

Thinking a Limited 1200 boat or better and up is what the class would Require. No stock boats.


So 1200,1300,1360,1400's and 1500+ cc boats which would be the 4 strokes could all race Kind of like the old dirt bike days.

It's funny in 1200 s/s it's says 1200cc or lower yet they homolagize a 1500cc boat with a super charger. I understand they let them in to race but they are contradicting there own rules another reason some racers are complaning.

the Class would more than likey start with Novice riders or Possibly start with Expert due to liability and what it would take too ride the machine and not kill anyone including yourself. But probably novice...??

Im going to send out some emails soon and see what we can work out and get some ideas rolling maybe do a trail run a some regional races in 05' and see if it's a WF'S race in 06.

Of course this add's yet another class to the books but somthing differant.
But this might also be a mod type of class too.

Mod 1200
Mod 1200+ open

I'd like to see west coast come back....

I think there big rig is still in LA parked at the shop full and ready to go....It was a couple years ago....liked thewy parked it in 97 or 98 from a race and left it.....

Anyway what do ya think....??
Be a cool class to watch too.....speeds...???

why not change the current mod class rules and allow for more displacement

if it is gonna be a class it should be open to expert and pro-riders at first

Have you guys taken the IJSBA survey yet? I think it addresses some of these issues and gives you a place for comments at the end. Check out there website.
https://www.ijsba.com/survey/200401/survey.cfm

Yeah,a class for "UNLIMITED".BTW Mr.5...thanks alot for returning my phone call.

I agree.It would be great if they had both Unlimited Amateur & Pro classes to allow us privateers a chance to compete without some wanna be Pro shoe in trying to take home a trophy Great find 65GT

We're getting a lot of calls inquiring about stroker cranks and motors. We're interested in producing them again, but aren't sure if there is enough demand to warrant a production run. It will be interesting to see what kind of feed back we get from this thread and the IJSBA poll.

mmmmm 1600cc big bore stroker GPR

"run what cha brung"

A few of us were talking about this the other day. It's pretty interesting that grudge racing has produced some of the fastest and quickest pwc's on the planet, but they are not legally allowed to be raced anywhere, sanctioned.

It's a canundrum!

Stock class should have intake grate, impellor and sponsons..only! Maybe seat cover and steering system...but TOTALLY STOCK!! No f/a's or other "limited" cross overs.

1300's should be allowed to run..let the Kawi's, Sea Doo's bore and stroke to their heart's desire to match cc's. 4 stroke should run 4 strokes, we have 4 companies producing them now...run them in a stock class and mod class only.

Would like to see Honda and Doo's RXP get to racing. Real racing.

I will send some info to IJSBA ...I cant take the poll because my membership ended on oct 10th I believe. But they might not care once a racer always a racer....

Bigger isnt always better 1600cc Gpr would have to have a lot of differant things to make it work but would be cool.

Riva It would be nice to have companies come back and make cylinders and stroker cranks again ...like you said if there is enough demand and the fate of PWC racing if it dies off or not.

Thats the thing in order to get the class up and running alot of feed back and rules would have to apply.

Wood good idea or wording.."unlimited" class... Even a open class for endurance..?

By adding a class like this there could be no end though to the amount of money you could spend making it only for a select few. Which in turn would draw up a low number of attendees. Which we are trying to get more people into racing even if it's stock class.

I have another Idea I propossed which might be a better idea for adding a class I'll post a differant topic and post some pros and cons of both....probably tomorrow since work and other things have been crazy and im very tired ....not even sure why im on here when I should be sleeping ......Im addicted to PWC....is that some kind of drug..??

Oh Wood im sorry I havent called ya back...Life has definitly been a little crazy lately...my lady ..Work..!!
And mainly my Mom.....long story but im sure others have the same...

We will talk soon .....

Alright keep ideas coming.....or post some email at IJSBA or APBA or just email ethier one about any ideas you have.....


Jonny5

IMHO,

-Bone stock. No changes. None, nada, nope, nuttin, no-way. If you want to see a better ski, then it needs to be built. Manufactures showcase. Don't beatch about how "unsafe" this is. If the skis are unsafe, then don't buy them.
-Limited. I'm serious about this one, so don't laugh. Similar to todays SS. You are subject to rules, imposed by some know-it-all techie, who picks and chooses who gets to race and who is disqualified, based on his/her definition of the rules. This class is needed to justify the existance of that "special" group of racers, that is propped up, by backdoor sponsors, and illegal boats...but they are all legal if you ask the right person. I think this is necessary to keep a balance with all those that believe stricter rules will grow our sport.
-Super Stock class. Minimum weight, Maximum cc's. No "interpretation." It either meets minimum/maximum, or it doesn't. *Premier Class*
-Unlimited. Just what it sez. Run whatcha brung. High end racing. Expect only a few entries... this isn't for "growing" the sport. It's for "showcasing" the sports possibilities. Flashy riders, bright LOUD boats, and specialized courses.

As far as gasoline, the onsite testing is, and always will be a joke. Some 2 stroke oils cause lead to show in the testing.

4strokes are a nightmare. I'm not going to even think about it.

EDIT: Our race skis are too quiet. That's right, too quiet. No one wants to hear you zooming around your toy on Sat morning sounding like a pissed off chain saw, but NO ONE wants to watch a bunch of quiet skis bouncing around splashing water. If Nascar, HotBoats, Airplanes, etc can be loud, so can we.

ps-You might grow the sport even faster, if you didn't treat the World Finals participants like death row inmates at Crazier Hors Campground. I'm not talking cuddling up close and swapping life stories... just provide security and let them put their vehicle in the pits. Maybe CHC and IJSBA could actually work together, and not have some old freak at the gate mad at some old hick at the entrance.

pss-I know this has been mentioned, but charging PWC vendors THOUSANDS of dollars was a really dumb move.

Mark there are a ton of illegal boats in all classes like you said...remember it's what you can get away with. And who ya know too doesnt hurt a bit...

Unlimited should be just unlimited...and a show case class it wood be..



I thought maybe an IROC class would be cool too.

But if you think about it The variables are end less......

IE....
Brand boats only per class only with certain mods "kawi class" Yami class...and so on
All brands certain mods ..almost like limited


This would be a tough class I think to get started ....after I thought about it for about an hour...reading the IJSBA rule book...

Any opinions on a IROC class...??

How about moving the finals away from crazy horse, Tempe town lake is available, think of the possibilities there! Wanna get people interested in the sport, try tempe town lake.

I have Crazy horse, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. I would rather spend a week trapped in a hot portojohn then race there all summer again. Did I mention I hate crazy horse?

Johnny,
It would take 5 minutes to shoot down everything I wrote. Maybe less, if I had a beer in me. But the current setup will not attract anybody for very long.

Instead of all the reasons to not work, just keep piling the ideas on. Don't spend so much time hammering what we don't see as a positive.

What Joe said about Crazy Horse... Yes, yeppers, worse place I've ever seen. What a nightmare for the AVERAGE racer and fan.

OH SURE we all had a great time, but the Portajohn does sound appealing compared to CHC.

OHHHHH,
The IROC class!!! Sorry, got all wrapped up in drama!!!!

Yes, if we had somebody fund it, with equal boats, I bet it would work great. IROC could only be for those select few just to showcase their talents? Not much of a growth aspect, but like the unlimiteds, it would be a great lookie-loo type race!!!

I asked Tim about holding a race a Tempe town lake. He said he had already contacted Tempe, and they said they would let us race there but but it came with a rediculous (7 figure) price tag.
I also hear the IJSBA has a 20yr contract with CHC to hold the WF's there.

Tim has many reasons not to leave Havasu.

Well maybe we need to start talking to aaron about tempe. From what I understand of the tempe situation - if there is tv coverage, which would be easy to setup a local news crew(channel 10 has the best hotties ) then the price comes down to almost nothing.

Tim doesnt wanna leave havasu - Aaron seems willing to do anything to get people into the sport and is all about the racing.