My dealer has a 1300R and an RXP still in the crate and I am torn. I have been riding since 94 and want the best of all worlds (handling, acceleration, speed). I rode a bone stock 01 1200R and was impressed by the handling but extremely dissapointed in acceleration and speed (my FX Cruiser pulled it by 2 boat lengths). For those that have rode both I have a couple of questions.

1. Does the RXP handle more like a 3 seater since it weighs 150 lbs heavier than the 1300R?

2. With the IR or Riva Stage II, will a 1300R accelerate with the best of them?

There are alot of posts on this forum with great info about the 1300R & RXP.A well crafted stage 2 1300R will put the hurting on the RXP.


Im done........

well.... I have to say that the rxp is better in the chop than my boat . I went to the lake this past weekend and had an RXP encounter. The guy was talking alot of smack saying no one can touch him. So i called him out and the odds were kinda in his favor. I just got on the lake with a full tank, his buzzers were going off If you know what I mean, (out of gas). That Fookin boat has an amazing holeshot. He jumped 5 boats on me but I Reeled him in and past him by the time we went past the beech . But on the way back we went from a 50mph. Again he was empty so he jumped me again. Then we were going through the chop, He cut through the chop like it was nothing.

So now Im having Hookup Problems. =) Im never happy. Help me!!!!!


So after saying all that.... Its almost a relibility / performance issue.

If you go with the RXP its Fast as hell stock but it has some ECM / Fuel Pump / SC Clutch issues.

If you go with the GPR its Very Reliable But you gotta Sink in about 2k or more to keep up.
Doing the Trim tabs is a must. I switched mine back to stock and I was bouncing all over the place.
This is my opnion so take it with a grain of sand

1300R Stage 2 thru riva with warrenty will beat the RXP all around

But if you do your own Stage 2 will you have warrenty no.

So what it comes down to is Warrenty vs no warrenty.

I guess that's the kind of replies you get on a Yami board

I don't know anything about ECM (?) or Fuel pump issues. Haven't heard of a one. Some people are putting the wrong oil in it and having SC clutch failures, but they are being replaced under warranty.

Isn't there a thread saying Stage II's do 69 or so? My stock RXP did that well, with a couple of 70's in there. Now with just a $225 (list) mod, its running even stronger. They say when this kit is done, it'll run 72+MPH or possibly even better now that they retweaked the prop. And that is with $650 invested.

Warranty is dealer dependant. If my dealer OKs and installs the mods, he honors the stock warranty.

Me personally, I've owned two GPRs. I liked them alright but couldn't ever get them to perform the way I wanted. This RXP does it stock.

Thanks for the respones, but how about non-stright line handleing? What about being able just "horse" around? Spinning, tight turns, wave jumping? For me the cost is not an issue since I can get the 1300R for about $1200 cheper than the RXP. After the mods, the price will be about even. I am just real concerned about the weight. My skis are a 96 XP and 94 Waveraider and my wife has an FX Cruiser. The Cruiser is great for cruising but the fun factor is about a 3 on a scale of 10 due to its weight. Given that the RXP weighs within 30 lbs of a cruiser I am afraid it will handle like a 3 seater.

People that have full stage 11s that are getting pulled out of the hole by RXPS are probably running the wrong grates. In rough water a Riva ride plate will make the boat bounce. Stock plate will not. On a buoy course Gp will spank an RXP. Drive your FX Cruiser up on the beach and pull an RXP up next to it and push both off. RXP will require some help by others. Check normal services performed by dealer for first 150hrs. Then add the price of 2 or three wear rings. [If you want to keep holeshot] An Rxp is an awesome ski for stock performance. I am 6'2 245 and the ergos on that ski do not work for me. In addition I rock through flat water twisties and buoy courses in rough lakes. I can not get an Rxp to turn under a ski if I have to cut back through there wake. I know when they come out with sponsons it will help but you feel the weight of that ski and I am afraid of what sponsons will do to my body. I love lots of skis. Four stroke is our future. A stock 1300 is just as quiet as my HO 160. I pray for the day they take 11 inches off my HO 160 add 35 hp and lighten up.

IMHO: The GPR turns more predictably than the rxp. However, the RXP will "out-turn" what most new riders consider a good turning craft. I think it's all static. With mods, the GPR will outturn the RXP... but dont tell that to the 1st and 2nd place winners in both endurance races this weekend.

Just remember,
there are a Butt-ton of aftermarket parts available right NOW for the gpr platform. You can fix any of it's problems up front very affordable.


The RXP will need more time for good stuff to be developed. Riva seems to be leading the way, and the other guys are once again bad mouthing the parts. Give it time. It too will be a top notch runner. The RXP is quickly becoming the STOCK boat to beat.

I just sold my stage II 1300r and I also have an rxp (stock). Both are great boats and are pretty fast. The rxp is faster out of the hole, seems to loose less speed/pull harder through turns and handles much better in chop. When you hit bigger waves you need to plan ahead though. The 1300 has a little more predictable handling charicteristics. Its easier to jump with and its a bit more forgiving. Both are easy to spin around and so on if thats what your looking for. As far as top end rxp = 68.3, 1300 sageII 71.2 in 95 deg heat, 91 deg water. Both skis burn about the same amount of gas when riding hard. As far as reliability, my rxp has spent three, almost four of the five weeks Ive owned it in the shop. It was broken in properly and has had all its maintanence work, and I still had problems. I know sometimes these things happen, and Im sure the Yammy guys are loving it, but I also need to add that sea doo is not at all customer friendly when it comes to warranty repairs. sea doo has refused to offer any assistance with the 10hr for the rebuilt motor (they should have replaced or at least offered), which is about another $200. Or extended the warranty for the month that the machine has been sitting in the shop. There are numerous other things but I think you get the idea. Just somthing else you may want to consider before you shell out the cash.

Chan, we are all sorry for your problems with your Sea Doo. Every one who has ridden alot of Yamahas know they are almost designed to be modified. In our group of riders we have all come to the conclusion that Sea Doo delivers its customers excellent performance out of the box. Leave them alone do services and they will be reliable. If we tried to push the performance we had problems. Also customer service is no where as flexible as Yamaha. Then again they are French.

Well boys, where should I start- I have owned Seadoo's, kawi's, & yamaha's, and truth be known that Seadoo ROCKS!!!!! The most fun I have ever had is on my RXP, cause of power, speed, mid-range, and all around fun!! Be prepared to get full stage 1300GPR just to be able to keep up with STOCK RXP. And then be prepared to rebuild your 2 stroke motor after 100 hours to refine speed, so stay with the RXP over the 1300 because that is what we are comparing the RXP too. If you can wait and see what the other manufacturers come out with their 2 seater four stroke then you have fair comparison--- until then Yamahas are for sissy's. Seadoo is all around fun for anyone.

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Originally posted by seadoolover:
Well boys, where should I start- I have owned Seadoo's, kawi's, & yamaha's, and truth be known that Seadoo ROCKS!!!!! The most fun I have ever had is on my RXP, cause of power, speed, mid-range, and all around fun!! Be prepared to get full stage 1300GPR just to be able to keep up with STOCK RXP. And then be prepared to rebuild your 2 stroke motor after 100 hours to refine speed, so stay with the RXP over the 1300 because that is what we are comparing the RXP too. If you can wait and see what the other manufacturers come out with their 2 seater four stroke then you have fair comparison--- until then Yamahas are for sissy's. Seadoo is all around fun for anyone.

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WOW welcome to riva seadoopuffer i think you need to check out seadoo.net all the macho man are there bring your leather and some K-Y and keep and eye out for that stage-II

Seadoolover=Frewman

Well said KNR.

Well KNR,
Eevery time I come up on a stage II, they are staring at my crack chasing me with their ky jelly and they keep trying to chase me as their legs are spread apart like having a baby on that extra wide seat that the 1300R has. Do not do 35-40 boat will porpoise, and it feels like you are on a merry go round. Do not care if HO 160 has power trim or tilt steering cause every stock gtx seadoo I have seen blows the HO 160 away, so welcome to the world of seadoo, by the way dont forget to reach for your fuel controller to try to figure out where your speed has went when boat is heated up. Yamaha might be very fast if you sit on the sidelines watching all of the seadoo's have fun while you only can get one fast run for speed mark...but that is only one run for four quarters of the game!!!

Trollin', trollin', trollin, keep those doggys postin' RAWHIDE!

When we got 69.7 out of our Rxp it was bouncing pretty good. By the way the stage two behind it ran 70.5 bolted down on rails.

A GPR is a ski I could own, because I modify my skis.
I'd never buy an RXP because you could stuff 400 hps in there it would still be a barge, it would still handle like **** and last but not least, it'd break even more than stock.
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Gold wings are fast also. And I think they are made of the same plastic chrome as the RXP.

Y'all convinced me. Go buy the 13R