Has anyone read about or seen the performance of the Hydrospace NA standup? Does it even compare to an SXR? I wouldn't think so because it's heavier, but I know 4-strokes have a lot of potential as Team Kawi & RIVA have shown on the 15F...

I was just wondering because on the European tour the Hydrospace NA is doing well in the freestyle division, but Steven Dauliach is tearing the competition up on his SXR in the ski class.

I dont think many of us know much about this Hydro Space. I know its will cost as much as two SXR. If you can find a US dealer that has them in stock. Hydro Space is rumored to be all Carbon Fiber with a super charged 4 stroke. Pictures show what seems to be a intercooler. Again its all rumor till someone gets the spec sheet posted.

Hydrospace is proving to be a big joke. All claims and no product to speak of. I suspect they will fizzle into nothingness as soon as they run out of exagurated claims to make.

I dont agree with that. I think they are targeting the European market. Till we become a market then we will not get much info on it. As far as performance, well CMACC is winning on it. No *****ing from him yet.
I dont think HydroSpace has made claims that have not been backed-up. They are a limited production boat and will make the reqiured 500 units to make them race legal. Dont see them pushing too much harder to get the world market. Not till a major backer comes in.

Oh how has it been a joke.?
http://www.prplan.at/aac/hydrospace/webhydro/index.html

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Simple, listen to all thier hype and see whats been really delivered.
Explain to me how they can race "prior" to makeing the 500 required skis?
They prommised 3 models of standsup, so far, deliverd 1. Now they are talking about a sit down. Deliver what was promissed first, then start a new model.
You will wait and wait for this company, a very select few (probably lest than 10) will ever make it to the public in the US.
They made one for Mac to run, it even looks different than the pictures they show.
They lost all credibility with me when the photoshoped a pic of Mac riding it and replaced the Kawi he was on with thier ski.
Now I do like that they are trying, but its far past time to deliver.

You are so upset? Relax....
They will make the 200 reqiured to race in the US, racing rules are different then here in the US. I was wrong with the 500 its only 200 needed. http://forums.nypwc.com/index.php?showtopic=84
Yes Macc races for HydroSpace in the overseas tour. Are you at all into racing and really keeping tabs. Check Macc's web site. http://www.maccracing.com/ Yes thats him with a HydroSpace......

Often companies make claims but have to change direction. They never "promises" anything. They release a company mission and they have every right to change it. Do you have a copy of that or did you hear someone tell you all this stuff of promises. I have not found anything other than claims of a new stand up. Which I have seen photos of. http://www.jetmanuk.com/photo/PWC/2005/general/hydrospace/index.htm

No photo tricks there. You should really research before you get so worked up.

Think of the big picture not what you wanna see.

http://www.aac-jetskiracing.com/ This is a link of the tour going on now and you will see several different skis running in a race together.

Dozens have been made and sold. The US is reviewing patent, so as that passes then you will likely see that you jumped the gun.

Mind you Macc is doing well on one, in stock form. Racing against SXR's that are modded. So the this ski seems to be holding its own. Give it time and if it doesnt hit the US market then who cares. You seem to be all upset about them and thier promisses to you.

I will also correct myself on that it is not a SC or Turbo 4-stroke motor. Just a plain 4-stroke two cylinder unit Model #1 But look for the other models spoak of may be the same hull but a different motor platform. Turbo model? SC model?
Example, the STX-900, STX-R, STX-12f and STX-15f are all the same boat but different models due to only an engine change and color. Again an open mind. 3 different models will not mean three entirly different boats.

If you have links to any research material then please post them. I enjoy learning from my mistakes. Open mind.... But ask RC about the "Glass half full" way of thinking

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Mac was only racing a few races in the European Tour but 90% he has won with the Hydro space ( the SC cost 19.000 US$

Orlando,
Whats the deal with the 4Tec stuff?
This is not a Rotax or Bombardier Engine, its the Weber engine from the Failed Polaris MSX110 and MSX 150.
Big difference bud.
Not a 4Tec.

Sorry I was shorting my 4-Stroke. Ill fix it for you as to not get the SeeDoo guys all upset.

Did the Polaris fail becuase of this motor? Wow that motor must be junk?????

Im wondering if this thread is doomed, its seems all have posted a negative response. No one has posted solid information or links to back up what they know.

For example, if its not been sold in the US then how can we be sure of a $19,000 price tag.

Does any one have info on the failed motor isuue. Thats what Im getting from Todd or is it the jetski that failed and not the motor.
Im so confused, wish some one had the right answer.

I will say that I personally believe that if the HydroSpace had come with a 4-Tec motor then it wouldn't be worth the implied $19,000. More along the lines of $6000 and even then I would shy away from it.

Todd I know one thing for sure my name is not "bud"

If for any reason my type-o affended you then just say it but comming off like that is going to sink this thread fast. All that has been done here is provide solid info. I get fustrated when other make claims to the negative then run off.

Im still baffled that you have so much knowledge about the motor. Is this something you can share so the rest of us intersted can learn about this motor.

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Just an FYI Guys:

Hydrospace has a website: http://www.hydrospace.at

They have all of the specs, pictures, etc of the race team and the 2 skis (Naturally Aspirated & turbo-charged model).

Based on the race results form the IJSBA site, Chris MacClugage is sitting the 12th spot overall in the ski division. He actually raced an SXR in the first round because he didn't have his Hydrospace ski yet. It looks like he missed this last round in San Javier. A Kawi is still kicking some serious buttocks over seas.

His other teammate, Roc Flojancic seems to be doing quite well in the freestyle division. On the Hydrospace home page, they actually have race/freestyle pictures from this year (I'm Assuming). It also looks like the top deck on the freestyle ski is different from the race ski (does not have the built in sponsons and has hand holds in the hood).

Still wondering how people know the US price and thqat the motor is from Polaris

I remember reading somewhere, when the IJSBA first announced the ski, that Hydrospace was using a german motor (I don't remember where I read that unfortunately). It really does not make sense why Hydrospace would use a Polaris motor due to the fact Polaris is not making PWC anymore and by the looks of the motor in the pictures, it doesn't look like a Polaris motor. One intersting fact though, the turbo charged S4 HO version has very similar specs to the turbo charged Polaris 4-stroke.

By the way, they posted the MSRP on the Hydrospace website. That's how people know...

Anyway, I guess we will really have to see in teh near future whether this Hydrospace ski, turbo charged or not, is a better performer than an SXR (modified or not)...

Thanks for the comments/feedback...

I do believe the SXR will prove to be a better boat. Its more affordable and it has been proven time and time again. I do believe the Hydro Space will go over as well as the Octane. Big at first then people will soon learn that parts and service are a major issue. Thats just my input. No facts to back it....

Oh BigH you seem more on a nuteral level with well backed info. Thanx its good to see it.

They are not "Polaris" engines. They just happen to come from the same manufacturer that Polaris chose to use. But Polaris does not manufacture them. They are produced in Europe.

And all is quite.............

It is quiet, but we will probably know a lot more after the world finals in another month.

(I still have to back the Kawi though at the finals...I bleed a lot of green... )

guys... just chill out a little.. wow...
You have choices in every walk of life.. do well all buy the same car... err no... so if HS want to sell there ski for 19000$ then great they think it is worth it.... does the consumer... I guess its the same Q riva asked ahen making the s/c kit for the 15f... THey have a waiting list.... why not just wait and see... And stop whining... we in Europe don't get everything you get in the states, do we moan... ok we do but thats another story.

Anyway i think the engine they are using for the HS is a KTM engine... so i have heard... But again... not 100% sure.

Good luck... and remember... they current SXR only has a short term future.... so maybe HS is one step ahead, its called progression..

No ones whining yet. We have bigger things on our plate right know. I think the HydroSpace is great but I to must say that the SXR is a better option. Lots of parts out there to play with.

As Riva Crew Commented above, we know the engines are built by a European comapny, probably not KTM; I think we have established where the engines are produced.

The main reason I started this topic was not to argue about the Hydrospace and its specs. My point was to find out how it performed against the SXR. We don't know much about it due to the fact that it is a ski only offered in Europe currently. We do know the SXR has taken over the standup market since its inception in 2003. If you have gone to a race lately and watch the ski division, you will probably find that most racers that raced a Superjet have switched over to an SXR. I went to a race at the end of July and everyone (except for 2 Octane's) in the ski division was riding an SXR (all ages and classes). The Moto-Surf nationals at Oceanside, CA in 2003 showed the dominace of the SXR versus the Superjet. The Polaris Octane gave the SXR a challenge with Victor Sheldon at the helm, but Team Kawi and some other Kawi teams dominated. The the Superjet's only presence is in the Freestyle event. So I guess time will only tell if Hydrospace can run with the SXR or take over as the SXR did in 2003.

The 2-stroke version of the SXR is very short term. We will probably see a 4-stroke version or a super-duper clean 2-stroke in the near future; I don't doubt that.