Just thought I’d update you all. I finally received my replacement GP1300r after mine seized 14 hours young on its 25th day of life back on March 25th. It was quite and ordeal, but today I pickup a complete new unit from Central Florida Yamaha.

[ 05-23-2003, 09:30 AM: Message edited by: WaveRunnerGreg ]

How did your 12 sink twice

You mean 3 times?

greg, yamaha didnt install the motor for u? those bastards

They gave you a brand new ski? Thats good customer service. Did they tell you what happened to your ski?

How do they decide this? Why didnt they just give you a new motor. My 1200R is in the shop with a blowen motor crank bearing, Its a 2001, I bought last year it was new in the crate so there is a warranty. Who do i need to talk to. My motor has only 35hrs on it. Yamaha is looking at my motor to see what happen. I would be more than happy to unload this lemon back to yamaha. So here I wait for a new motor.It will be the middle of june before i'm back on the water. Maybe.

o they gave u a new ski!! sorry, didnt absorb all of it

What does seize mean? And how does a ski sink

yamaha didnt install the motor for u? those bastards

Yes they did install a new motor, but I refused picking it up after that repair. I never felt they were listning to the fact that my GP12r uses twice as much oil and feared the new engine would seize again due to an oil delivery problem.

They gave you a brand new ski?

Yes, I have a brand new GP13r with zero hours on it.

Did they tell you what happened to your ski?

Yes .. some what. The engine failed due to main bearing failure. Unfortunatly, we had to tow the ski quickly because it was getting dark in the Everglades. Towing a ski fast can cause the engine to fill with water comming in from the exhaust. This can erase important evidence needed to find out what really went wrong (how much oil in the bottom of the cylinder, any metal filings). Here's what is known. Even burn showing on top of all pistons, all three oil hoses had oil in them, I believe it was the center 2 bearings that failed. Engine was shipped to Georgia for eventual inspection that has not been done yet.

In addition to all this ... let's not forget this ski was delivered to me with people at the dealership bragging about haveing it out on the lake at WOT. I broke it in as recommended in instruction manule.

My old ski has new motor in it and will get resold as a used ski soon. There is another major issue with my old ski that has yet to be resolved .. it dies while jumping wave and, as a result, is dangerous.

How do they decide this

You write your request and reasons and send it to Yamaha Customer Relations in LA.

What does seize mean

It's a term meaning that there is so much friction in the motor that the engine can no longer turn over (ie crank won't spin .. pistons won't go up and down).

And how does a ski sink
A ski sinks when the hull is so full of water that water gets into the engine through the carbs or comes in from the exhaust. The ski does not sink to the bottom. They have enough sealed air pockets and styrofoam to keep that from happening .. they'll bob like a beer bottle that is mostly full of water.

How can you get that much water in the bottom of the hull? I never have gotten much water in the hull just oil from the carbs. Mine broke the same way crank bearing failure. The dealer called me last night and said he sent pictures to yamaha by fax and yamaha was to decide if i get a new motor. I wrote a letter to customer relations in Georgia and California, havent heard a word, I know mine is a 2001 buts its still new with a one year warranty with 35hrs, and when the samething happens we all should get the same treatment, Money back or new boat. This whole deal is rotten, I mean how can they just look at pictures to decide this problem Dont they take the dealers word anymore so i guess they want proof. But i want out of this lemon yamaha and go back to seadoo and trade for a Supercharged 4-tec, Its big but i never had a bad seadoo in 35hrs with a bad crank, thats the last thing i would think that was wrong bad crank and bearings lucky me the power valves were in good shape, thanks to klotz ski craft synthetic ,its catalytic converter safe and recommended for power valves. I broke the motor in with yamalube, but after 8 hrs i went to klotz, I used klotz in all my seadoos never had any problems with the rave valves.

speedster

After reading that your ski was in the crate for several years, I feel that your bearings went due to improper storage. They probably formed rust from condensation in the motor during the storage period.

I'd demand a new motor or a new ski also.

Well I'm still waiting to hear from the dealer he said he would call today. I think this is all a waste of time. I'll never get a motor at this rate or a new ski. I dont know how you did it but I'm not going to take this waiting crap, yamaha needs to call me personally. I wrote them a letter with my concerns with the motor. I told even if they fix the motor i do not want it back. Its a lemon so you can have it back and i really dont want a 1300R, Its just as bad as the 1200R ,from the posts on hear already it looks like they havent gotten any better so why do i want another. Wants a ski breaks down earlier than usual its a lemon, there are to many problems with the GP-R models and i want no part of this, Tigershark didnt even have problems like this and they went out of business. I ride in rough water and still never get much water in the hull, I never sink my skis they cost to much, I didnt buy new to have it in the shop for months thats the part i hate and yamaha doesnt even care. So when they show me this way of fixing my motor and taking there time i dont want anything to do with this company. I dont really want to spend money on a attorney but if it comes to that i will. I just wish everybody who has had a problem with the GP-R models would get together and fight yamaha to win each and every problem and, make yamaha go back to the drawing board and redesign the motor starting with the pump shoe sealing and power valve and of coarse the crank and the crank bearings, then maybe yamaha might have a winner, But until then everyone seems to just do nothing about this. I hope one day it all comes back in there face and recall all the GP-r's.

Your GP1300r was dying on you when you jumped waves because there is a sensor on it.

I know there is a sensor on it for a 67 deg side tilt. I'm talking about a 0 side tilt and 20 deg with nose down. After posting this problem 3 times on this forum there were only 2 other skis that are doing the same. One was fix by tightning the battery cables and the other is not resolved also. This problem is not a normal and if caused from the tilt sensor, something is wrong with the one on my old ski.

I wrote a letter to customer relations in Georgia and California, havent heard a word, I know mine is a 2001 buts its still new with a one year warranty with 35hrs, and when the samething happens we all should get the same treatment, Money back or new boat.

I had several points with Yamaha that represented strong reasons for replacement.

1) my ski was abused by the selling dealer.
2) I reported it prior to riding it.
3) only 14 hours on it ... less then 30 days
4) it was dangerous when jumping waves.
5) hull badly scratched while rescuing the ski.
6) brand loyalty ... 2nd Yamaha

Once I mailed them my letter I was constantly doing follow-up calls. You have to push them and the letter needs to be written placing all the facts, as well as your concerns and demands out on the table (don't write one thing and then start throwing other fact and demands at them). Your letter will be read by several people (committee), and, therefore, represents you’re case. Write it well, the people reading it are vary busy like you and I are at our jobs … "Just the facts mam." Moreover, don't request something that you’ll never get. For example, don't request your money back ... Yamaha’s business is selling units and requesting your money will never happen and most likely lose your readers attention. A complete replacement ski, new motor installed from Yamaha, or engine overhaul, are all worth fighting for and within there power to grant.

And remember this, you bought a ski … Yamaha’s responsibility is to make that ski right … nothing more, nothing less. Good luck with you demands, don’t give up, and, most importantly, be persistent.

[ 05-23-2003, 09:14 AM: Message edited by: WaveRunnerGreg ]