ROBGPR what year ski do you have.


Fercho

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Originally posted by RobGPR:


Great, than you can give the rest of us mechanically handicapped people step by step instructions. Until then, what you do doesn't do people like me any good.

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Maybe then you need to go get a service manual and read it.. You are not doing anyone any good either. Go b1tch to Yamaha and get your issue resolved.. It is getting old and tiring...

Do I know everything there is to know about motors? NO, but if I have a question I ask it and get answered.. Stop attacking everyone and acting like a child.. My 2 year old daughter acts better than you....

Why call out Island Racing, Jet Trix Perf., WPP Racing or Riva and have them tell you that you need to spend $100 on the pins.. Heck just a few months ago people were complaining about spending money on new gaskets when they did a rebuild or did a head change.. They fealt it wasn't necessary..

Maybe you should do more research before you go out and spend your hard earned money on toys rather than come here and complain about it... If you can not afford the maintenance and repair cost for the toys then find a new hobby..

Don't mean too attack you but it is getting really old.. If you put this much energy into calling Yamaha over and over and over again like MD has said then you might actually get somewhere. What are you gaining from coming here and griping about it? Do you think Yamaha is going to read this board and then say oh let me take care of so and so just because they put something on a public forum..

PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL YAMAHA............ Until you get the answer you want from them quit complaining...

to all parties involved here,
i have delt with corporate yamaha on a few issues in the past and they took care of me , and im not just talking warranty issues here , yamaha is a standup company that makes a quality product that will give the owner many years of fun. do some of the products have some issues? yes, but EVERY manufacturer has issues,plain and simple .
filining a class action lawsuit may or may not help but by the time it would ever get to trial everyone will be riding 4 stroke turbo chraged or supercharged pwc and 2 stroke models will be in the "look at those old boats" catagory . a lawsuit will take years and yamaha knows this , so good luck for those that want to try . yamaha, is also looking at the pv issue like this............they are repairing the pv issues under their warranty program with no questions asked and some are failing and some are not , so to yamaha the money they loose on the warranty side of it is minnimal compared to having a recall notice go out to all owners. is that a crappy situation for an owner with a failure and no warranty? yup it sure is , but thats life . people its all about money..........yamaha wants you to replace the pv's yourselves before a failure(like a lot have done)and save them money , and why have a recall when the majority of the people out there dont even know what a pv is ! this board is about 1/2 % of all the people that ride pwc and the rest of them just go to their dealer or someone like me when something goes wrong .
think of it this way for example...........if yamaha has a recall and sends out a notice to all the owners saying bring it back for new valves that would coast them millions..........so what do they do? they sit tight and hope the warranty expires before the valves let go and fix the ones that do have the warranty .it s uc ks i know , but thats business . and as for the suit, i would not even try because in 3 years when it finally gets to court all the boats will be outdated and in paper for sale, and if by chance people did win, all youll get is a very small check in the mail out of a 1 lump settlement.........my advice to all of you that are upset is this, fix the valves yourselves or wait till it breaks(if it even does) and bring it in for warranty repair .
i could name a lot of the same kind of issues with each manufacturer but i think you can figure out what the deal is .......
now for why i or others dont have the pins in our "kits". in my opinion all kits are stupid, lol, funny huh. kits are just a way of trying to sell stuff and when i sell stuff i just let the person know, hey , you wont need that. each kit is tailored to each customer for his or her riding style and conditions , the kits that are advertised are very rarely sold just as they are seen .
when it does come time to sell or install a kit i let the customer know his or her options for the procedure thats about to be done , like the pins, i let them know about them and what "could " happen and then let the customer decide on what he or she wants to do . is it a must to install the pins? no . should you? yes. the same goes with welding a crankshaft is it a must ? no , should it be welded? yes . if we (shops) were to advertise every part that should maybe be installed , the customers would freak out and run when they see the price it would cost for everything .
i have seen 2000 gprs with the original valves go to 100+ hours with no issues, why is that?
one of the guys i sponsor has a 2000 gpr and he has my tailored r-2 kit in it , when i did it i told him about the valves and made him very aware of them, but even still, he passed on changing them till this race season is over . just like i wrote above, i let him know about the issue but in the end it was his final decision on what to do or in this case ,what not to do . i think all of you should just ride your boatsand enjoy the best boat on the water and stop worrying the "what ifs", if it breaks , then fix it.
just remember it does not get any better in the kawi,seadoo, or polaris camps either and come to think of it honda is having some issues as well , so just relax and enjoy th eriding time . thanks dana

Well you seem to be pointing fingers at Dana, Brian, Brett, Riva, Carl or whoever you put down as the so called experts and they didn't warn you or put these pins in their kits.. You are the one pointing the fingers at them....

Take my post as you see fit but how hard is it then to read the service manual? Take off the covers and clean out the junk that is in there.. It really can not be all that hard.

I personally don't care that you own 2 boats.. You could own a million dollar home and I still don't care.... You know how to use the search feature up above. Then if not ask.. Many will tell you how to do a search. When it is something that has been discussed numerous times already it gets old....

If I am not mistaken many times has Fercho, Austin and other told everyone about the fixes and parts needed. Do you want them to keep saying it over and over and over and over and over again. It get old and repetative...

As I said not attacking you in general but if that is how you feel then nothing I can do about it.. I gets old quick when people keep harping on it.

You want to go and sue Yamaha congrats. Go for it but stop complaining about it...

Did I like just spending money on 3 new pistons, rings, washers, pins, power valves all other things necessary to put the motor back together? Heck no I didn't but it was my choice even though I stil have 2 1/2 years left on my YES warranty... I fealt it was preventive maintenance and would rather do it now than later when it destroyed everything else in the process. If you don't believe me then I will be happy to fax you the receipts for all my parts..

As I said Rob not slamming just tired of it.. It has been dragged through the ringer many times now... If people want to sue then join together and get busy... Stop talking and process the paper work.

Wow you are a tough little man aren't you.. Glad to see you seem like you are on top of the world with your attitude.. Good luck in your endeaver but I doubt you will be getting far... Now wonder Yamaha blows you off...

does anyone have any comments or questions about what i posted above? this thread got quiet in a hurry...........

I'll reply,

I don't understand how only after 50 hours the powervalves failed on a 2001 ski?

I used the recommended oil, I had all the scheduled maintenance performed.

Nobody told me that the valves needed to be cleaned after 50 hours. It's not in the manual..

With all the other powervalve failures I've seen on this forum it's quite obvious there's a problem.

-----> just an average Joe wanting his ski to run right.

douglas,
i have no answer for you why yours fail and some ithers dont . what i think it may be is that whoever makes the valves for yamaha might not have their tooling set the same from production run to production run.

douglas ii do not no either but i am in the same boat as you 50 hours and they failed and what a mess. and jet trix i hope you are right and they do take care of my problem. if they will just give me the parts i will be happy. but i am 1 month out of warranty so i do not no. i am gonna keep on calling until they get tired of hearing from me. ill keep everyone posted thanks for the info jet and i do see your point.

Dana do you think it is in the tooling or in the baking process. Could it be that the metals are just heated too much when they are first being built.. I don't know what the process is on how they make these but could it be that when they are first making/baking/cooking (now I am hungry again) the molds that they are heated too much and become brital so that is why there is an inconsistency?

You know for sure how I run my boat and I never had a problem...

In my opinion it is extremely poor quality control.

If these were parts for the commercial jet aircraft, the FAA would have shut them down.


32racer,,

Do not give up.. Keep contacting them and don't let them have an excuse to say no. Demand that a factory rep in your part of the country look at your GPR and parts. I really feel if you keep on Yamaha you'll get the parts. Don't let up! Arm yourself with as much knowledge as you can about your GPR so you have the intelligence to effectively communicate with Yamaha.

Where in in the *owners* manual does Yamaha specify PV cleaning requirements over hunderds of hours of operation and years of ownership?

[ 08-09-2002: Message edited by: dc ]

ROFL, DC, that is freaking hysterical!!!

rob and whoever else,
all i can say is if the powervalves are making you nervous, just spend the money and do the fix. think of it as a mod like putting a prop in and maybe the peice of mind is worth money .enjoy the summer.

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Originally posted by RobGPR:


I just don't get you? I posted valid questions and concerns. I'll say this again...my powervavles HAVE NOT FAILED! I was trying to help some people out. I was trying to get Dana, Brian and some of the other guys that are GOOD at this to think about maybe mentioning a $100 fix for this to their customers while they have their engines apart anyway. Because it wasn't mentioned to me.

Then you come along and for no reason compare me to your 2 year old girl, accuse me of attacking everyone wildly, and say I didn't research the ski I bought...I did, thats why I bought the GP1200R and not the Ultra. Then you continue by saying, like you would know, that I haven't put any effort into this matter else where...which I have...4 straight days of busy signals from Yamaha and I talked to a lawyer...Remember now, my powervalves are just fine, I thought I was trying to help others out. Then wait, surprise, I tell you I didn't apperciate your comments and you wack me again...hold on now, this is the kicker...you seem flabbergasted that I have the nerve to be upset with you and you say that I'M the one that has bad attitude???...way I see it nobody asked you to post on this thread.

If you're so tired of this (as you've said lots of times now), then why do YOU keep posting about it. Anytime you see the subject "powervalve" you can roll your eyes and move on to another post. I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears however, you'll NEVER admit you were wrong.

Dana,
What you had to say was spot on. We wouldn't get anywhere with a suit and even if we did it would be a check for $5. I'm glad you care about your customers. Good thing for you, even though I have a serive manual, that there are people like me who either can't or simply don't want to learn how to work on these. If we all took Pat's advice and read the manual, you would be out of business.

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Rob I am really not going to just go away.. I am also not going to just delete my postes as I have seen that you did... You can take my advise which was to do the mod or leave it. You can continue to call Yamaha and probably get no help as others have done. You are the one that called out all the shops. You were the one that asked the question why the R kit, Speed kit, Whatever kit and so on that everyone sells they don't post on there that you need to do the pins or add them in. They are selling performance parts to modify a watercraft. Yes these are also pieces that will help in the aid of the never ending power valve issue. The issue being whether they break or the issue of them walking the pins. Remember we are on rev -10. Ferhco and Austin both did allot of research on updated powervalves and both shared allot of info.. Did they have to? NO they did it too pass along information to others and hopefully prevent the issue that is going on.

You can take what I said as you wish but please don't come on here and post to others whether it be the shops or other pwc enthusiasts and call them out. If you want to know why they don't include these in their kits ask nicely not with an attitude like I read in your postes.. As for me admitting I was wrong. I don't know what about. If you never had a problem then why contact a lawyer? What are they going to do for you? This class action suit has been talked about for so long but has gone no where... Get my point. I wish who ever luck in there endeavor to file a suit, but talk is cheap.. Either do it or stop talking about it...

As I said if you feel I was attacking you then that is your choice but I as I said I was not.. Unfortunately you deleted your postes so there really is allot of info missing on why my resonses were what they were..

Oh and here is the for you...

[ 08-09-2002: Message edited by: Pat M. ]

Pat, you say I was "calling out the shops". I'm sorry if YOU saw it that way. Many others didn't. MDKOCHE said some of my comments "hit the nail on the head". You don't have to worry about going away. I will first. So go ahead and post your last slam at me and I will just have to resign myself to wondering what in the heck I ever did to you. As if I care.

Someone once posted to me, it may have even been Dana, "Don't listen to most of what people post here and you will be better off". I wish I would have listened to him.

It's been fun

Opps one last for ya Pat!