I would like to let the watercraft industry know of a terrorist.... a man from the East who calls himself Carl from Island Racing. His 74 mph GPR with only pump modifications is a false claim. The only way he can acheive 74 mph is with something of a Big Bore modification or porting.... but this we all know. Through our intelligence we only know of average speeds of around 72 mph on the stocker. Even through the acheivement of 74 mph it is still worth some credit no matter how he did it.

Until this terrorist comes out of his cave and fesses up to the true modifications of his ski.... he shall be known as Carl Bin Laden. His followers.... the Yamabond fuel his arrogance with their blind allegance. But let it be known that a force from the West is comming your way!!! Let's just call them "The Girls".... Fear them.... Remember them.... Watch the girls go by.

Western Alliance "The Girls" 89SVN

Remember its just all in good fun. LOL

Speed freek i know where one could disclaim his speed achievments on a stock GPR--- i probobly would too but i know carl very well, he is the type that spends many many hours testing different props, ride plates, intake grates, and radars everthing he test...i went rideing with him the day after he brought home his 01 GPR. he got to his house at 6:00pm on a friday night, he changed the prop--did a little detailing to the pump and he sealed it, and he installed an intake grate. We went rideing the next morning and he did 71 mph on radar and on gps..no joke---remember you can buy all the best aftermarket mods they have and you won't go much faster---you need specialy chosen parts/mods to work in sync with each other-- only true pros know this--- thats why they go FAST.. ------


By the way if your tired of going slow give carl a call---

Jason S-------one of the ISLAND RACING BOYS.....

Eric- who ever said the stocker ever went 74-----NOT ME----yes it averaged in the 72's in the glass with a high of 73.1 (73.7on a pass without the seat on,but were not counting that one) that was on one of the last days of our season out here when the temps and the water started to get cooler(which makes a little more power if you know about hp)but it still did it and yes once again for the record, for you and the rest of the watercraft industry on a ---100 % S T O C K ! ! ! motored ski(except premix)----now all i see here is another non believer, and now i have to fear some secret project-- hey GIRLS---bring it on!!!
As far as giving credit, i appreciate it but your about two years too late as weve hit the 75 mark on a single piper (no not stock)back in May of 2000 when they first came out,and now with all the new tech.weve learned on these skis over the past two years,forget about it.theres no limit
I hope you "GIRLS" are aiming high---real high
oh its going to be a fun summer


everything I post is NOT an opinion----they're fact

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PS--ALL IN GOOD FUN ---from OSAMA RACING

Whats the phone number for you boy's at long island racing ?

drop me an email at WAVERUNRxxx@aol.com

OH come on, a 10MPH gain from pump mods only. I need boots!!

Its getting thick in here.

Must hav the holeshot of a sea slug.

Lets get real here ok, this is not SeaDoo.net!

Hey girls,
You couldnt beat his stocker with your modified ski---now you think your going to beat his modified ski, or even come close to one of their triples--or God forbid their "world record ski"---God I wanna be there for that B#@ch slapping!! Please post the date for this event! Gotta take some much needed vacation time to see this.

We would love nothing more than to have everyone present when we make the official run. But, due to the nature of the event, we aren't able to offer an open invite to the public. Sorry...

We're going to document the event on video though. I'll try to work it out so that we can post it on the forum! Watercraft World magazine will again be on hand for the follow up article to the one in the January issue.

with a stocker that runs like that ... you should run some IJSBA closed course and endurance races in stock class.

WAIT,,I did see you at a closed course event..now I remember..you had that new helmet styled from dirty rags.. yes ..you even took those rags off during tech inspect and covered all those hidden goodies on the engine so know one would see them and you could call it stock!!

i have no secrets. i'm building a 1500cc big bore. i believe it's the biggest big bore out right now. i never said i'm going for a world speed record. i only said i'm going for big numbers and that's what i'm trying to do.i have no one to impress but my self. it is only a challenge for me to put my knowledge to the test. but at the same time i would like to put my 1500cc big bore gpr to the test of running carls stocker with his new claims of running over 77mph this summer. it seems like it doesn't matter how you get there "as long as you get there". hmm lets see if i don't know about hp then why would i be building a 1500cc motor?? although i haven't proven anything yet with big numbers, but it's a fact that there is a 1500cc motor sitting on my bench.

......as for jason s, would carl ever help you with making your gpr faster than his?? no, i don't think so!!

P.S. suzanGPR, i've seen your husband come to your rescue before when you've put your foot in your mouth. don't you monitor another website to make sure people post responsibly??? This doesn't pertain to you and it seems like from your words your taking this a little too seriously..... Remember it's all in good fun!!!

Yo Eric--we all know its in good fun---gotta love this board. thats great about the 1500,cant wait to see it run!I can relate to the challange thing, that was the whole reason for doing the stocker in the first place---I wanted to see just how fast we can get a stock motored ski to go--73-big deal---those arent FAST #'s but they were for that ski.Now put that "know how" to a modified ski and thats where the higher # come in(75,76,77single pipers).Same reason why were goung to build a "world record ski" it probably wont be "official", but thats a good goal to shoot for(and 90mph).I dont get though why you want to run the stocker with a 1500 big bore?I hope for your sake that your big bore should run faster than 73---Let us know,and well all go out to the flats with the gun and a couple of gps's and well get some # on all the skis.Until then ---keep wrenching boys or "girls" i dont know what to call u guys any more---that scares me more than the 1500 (maybe i dont want to be alone with you in the flats-hahaha)

I know how we can put this to rest.
Carl, I will pay for your gas to come down here and let me radar your ski. We will both check compression , port size and design , and any engine mods , etc to verify the "stock" issue.

The test area is located in Colonial Beack ,Va.
The water is smooth or has a slight chop. Water is brackish(fresh/salt mix). The distance is less than 1/4 mile or shorter. Its in a protective cove mostly with no wind and no current.

I test here all the time and speed readings are the same in both directions.

Then we can post the results with all the conditions that were present at the time of the test.
I will also radar anyone else who needs it done.


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brian,
is that the place near your parents house, the one steve was talking about? id like to go this spring and get a jump on getting my boat tuned in, let me know !

Brian .......let me know too if Ol' Carl shows up.....or claims he will. I'll load up my GPR with video, wife and a mind set for a good time. I got a suspicion though that "somebody" might not show up.

Heck.....Ol' Carl couldn't even give me the truth within 10 minutes of our first and only conversation.......Not fun to spend "long distance" phone $$ on someone that is so willing to keep "speed secrets" he'll lie.

Oh well .......It's his business, it's his life, it's his claims, it's his secrets........we'll just see if it's his balls that show up (or if it's something else in those pants)!

drink,
have you taken my spot in the get hammered dept. ? lol

Dana,
Thats the place.Around the corner is where Region 8 (Watersport Productions) is going to have a race again this year. Let me know when you want to come down.

hey---all you guys are more than welcome up here to come and see our skis run any time you want weve put that offer out there many times in the past(bring your own gun and test equipment(and $) if you like. The stocker was disassembled back in sept(as i said in this and other posts)and will be modified,will still be a stock bore, stock carbed, pump gas ski(93-94 sunoco)---and will(not maybe,not well i hope it will) but will!!! run in the minimum-high 75's to 76's maybe in the 77's on a good day , then if anyone has any doubts as to the stockness of the bore---put up$$$ or shut up ---im not about to start disassembling my ski everytime anyone has any doubts-yeah there might be faster singles out therebut this time the goal is to do it with the stock bore and carbs and pump gas.
DMD-sorry you are bitter---you are right and wrong---yes i will always keep certain secrets to myself(accept it or not) but dont acuse pepole of lying about it---sorry that your only intent for your call was to soak speed secrets out of me---still no hard feelings
Pro-id love to come down there and ride some different waters---nothing stopping you or anyone else from coming up here either---we'd love to have some other fast guys on the water---makes it more interesting(dont forget your equipment)

Carl,
I might take you up on the offer. It depends on the race schedule this summer and work load. I also have some tricks up my sleeve that wont leave the shop.
Email your number I need to discuss something with you.

Carl........Never meant to "soak" up speed secrets. Just had a few myself and knew you had a few.......but in 10 minutes of talk you were already becoming deceitful about the ATF mod which you knew worked......but told me it would ruin my pump bearings. I that point I thought....."stay polite (which I was), but trust is out the window". Not bitter at all......just wise enough to quickly see some potential future problems if I was going to do business with someone that was not going to be honest and straight up from the start. Some businesses go a long way with a little dishonesty here and there.....it's just not my cup of tea to give those people my money and share my ideas.

Don't get me wrong Carl..... I'm sure alot of stuff you do in your shop is straight up......it was the "first impression" that is hard to get past.

Good luck with your shop, mods and such. Hope you understand where I'm comin' from. I'm sure we'll cross paths someday in person.....hopefully all is well by then.