DMD-not for nothing but it never came from me that atf would ruin pump bearings,or if it worked or didnt work-i said ive never used it which i havent---im funny like that,yamaha puts that grease that smells like a$$,in there for a reason-Ive replaced many pump bearings usually from salt damage-and wouldnt recomend doing the switch on a rec ski. even if you pick up a few r's, id rather have the extra protection from the heavier stuff,especially in the salt water.
sorry if you felt that i was deceitful in any way,im not out to lead you or anyone else in the wrong direction.all is cool by me and to make it up to you ---you get a free 1mph coupon redeemable at any ISLAND speed shop

Hmmmmmmmm. I'll sleep on it. At least you're being civil about all this which I truely respect. I have noticed that you are VERY slow (if at all) to getting hostile in here with the sometimes "hostile" crowd.......good positive trait.

Like I said though .......give me a little time to think this through. I was under an impression that I thought was credible in regards to advice you were passing out.......and then was taken back by your "ATF" advice.

Maybe I assumed too much too quick. Just feelin' a little cautious.

I'll pass on the 1mph coupon for now. It would probably be more fun to "run what ya brung" anyways if we ever meet......trade "speed finds" after.

Again .......not bitter. Just want to get to the bottom of this if possible and move on. Might be good to talk.

DMD, Too bad you live so far away, I would suggest you come to Long Island and meet Carl personally. He'll gladly show you whatever current project he's working on, might even share a "secret" or two. Well, maybe not.

carl, whats up with the freeks>>>??!!<<<<<

im definately gona have to come out and play this summer....sounds like things are heating up early this year....

73 mph on the stock motor!!! I needed a good laugh. It's just not gonna happen !!! I don't wanna know any of your secrets. But I do have one question. Even if you used a steeper impeller and it took you 2 miles to get to top speed, you are not going to run 73 mph. Here is my one and only question. What is your RPM's when you are hitting 73 mph? You don't have to tell me your impeller on anything else, just your R's. What are they reading? Huh?

Liquid, this question has been beat to death, you know he'll never answer it.

HEY LIQUID---- how come i dont get IM's everyday from you like i used to before you ran 74.??????something like that bothers me more than anything else---you give a guy pointers and tips--and dont even get a "thank you"weve talked a few times, im'ed a few times,you seemed like a cool guy--and now you come across like this--------no thank you
Im sure a guy of your caliber and expertice has tried everything possible under the ski to come to such a final conclusion.obviously NOT or you would be singing a different tune!
as far as "never gonna happen" sorry buddy it already has.
as far as the R's ----keep wondering???
as far as a good laugh---take a couple minutes have a good laugh then try to figuer out why u have a list of mods 100 parts long and just barely touching the 74 mark in the cool winter weather? not saying 74 aernt good #'s,they are,but id be wondering what was goin on
---dont want to come across like this but I could just as easilly say that i couldnt give a C#@P what you think, how fast you go(or cant go)
you know when it really comes down to it, it really doesnt bother me what goes on on this board,when its all said and done---its on the water where it counts!!!
If someone else did it they would be getting the hammering right now---and hey if you want to hate me for being the "fast guy" --go ahead---that just puts the icing on the cake when we do run into you on the water---
i apologize to the rest of the board---nothing wrong with a little venting every now and then

LIKE I SAID EARLIEAR, "sounds like things are heating up early this year...."

You gotta love this guy (Carl). Don't knock him guys he might just be the real deal. Anyway it sure makes for some good reading !!

hmmm,
look everyone..............the deal is is if you want carl to build you a "top end" boat then he ,and others for that matter, can build it . if you want a great all around performer he and others can do that as well...........everyone just needs to keep in mind that it may not be possible to have your cake and eat it too when it comes to certain packages thats a fact. do i belive he ran the speeds , yes i do, but in my opinion with the speed there are some sacrafices as well. no big deal . lets move on cuz im the one thats supposed to be the devils advocate ! hehehehe , by the way carl did you see the new r-1 sled ? wayyyyyy sweeeeeett !

Dana put that ski in the salt water next yr,,grow a set...cause u talk like u have a big set,,,,,,,,,,of balls that is,

carl, no salt sorry ! and stop talking about my balls , before mario gets jealous!

if I could make a stock ski run 73 mph I'd have every guy on this site lined up for the so called simple mods and charge them $1000. Imagine a stock engine GPR running that speed on 87 octane. You'd win every stock class endurance race out there. In addition you could put every other aftermarket company out of business.

Of course if I couldn't do it, I'd just be all talk and be having fun with naive listeners.

Can you really walk your talk Carl bin Laden or are you just hiding in your cave?

Ohh yeah I guess you replied just like I thought you would. Your reply lacked the one and only thing I ask for. R's, As far as you running 73-77 what-ever. I know you are not running a stock motor. YOu can just quit sticking to it, we ALL know it is not possible. (unless you count running in hurricane winds) I am not tring to get under your skin, and I did not say anything like you are a lying a$$, all I said was I wanted to know your r's because If you are running a stock motor @ 73 mph with a 14/?? than your r's would have to be well below the 6600 mark. Not a very good thing at all. I can only run 74. More like 72 all the time, but I am running a 14/20 and I am beating everything including stand-ups out of the hole and get to my top speed in like 5-6 seconds.

Now Lets just say you are running 73 on a stock motor and it is taking you ??? well, ??? 15 minutes to get there. I will be so far ahead of you, we would have to run like 10-15 miles before you even catch me, if you could. I have a 72+ all day long GPR that get to 70+ in seconds turning a 14/20. I could easly go to a 14/22-23 and probably get like 77 out of the boat. I want hole shot also. MY GPR will come completely out of the water if I don't lean over the handle bars and will come unhooked. Now that is how you wanna turn a 14/20 and still run 72+. I am sorry if you though I was trying to start something with you, I never wanted to do that. I was just saying that there is no way you or anyone else is running 73 mph without doing anything to the motor. I just wanted to know what RPM's you were turning. Boy, this is not asking to much is it? Would I know all your secrets if you only told me your r's? I guess you think I would. Thats fine then. I can only say one thing then.

It's your story, so tell it how you want.

[ 01-16-2002: Message edited by: Liquid Missile ]

To all the doubters out there, I have done some pump mods to my GP1200 98 and went faster. Then put the stock head back on and still went as fast!Though it did not hit as hard off the bottom.
No I will not divulge what I did , but using clues Wavexxx has given ,I thought long and hard about it and tried different things myself.
A hint , flow density decreases with speed due to aeration!
Regards to all Adam

Adam

I'm sure you did. And I am sure you gained mph. I did not say that there wasn't gains to be had from the pump. I did say however that you are not going to gain 8-9 mph with pump mods alone.

Liquid do yourself a favor, stop beleiving it cant be done, because if you explored more areas under the ski ,that you obviously havent touched or have no clue about, you might actually pick up a little(more than you think)ive done my homework,and the results show----dont fool yourself, you have a good running ski---i know in fact im positive it could go a good deal faster without doing anything else under the seat!!!

How much would you charge me to do my pump? I can send it to you and You can do your stuff.

Waverunner, I to would be interested in what you charge for the pump mods that can produce that kind of gains. If you could guarantee me in writing what kind of results I would get for how much it would cost, I would be interested in doing business with you. Let me know if you are interested or not. rpfossil

I've got my pump in a box for you too if you can qualify specifics concerning performance attainment, turn around time and cost.