you guys need to think about what your asking him. if he don't even help the yamabond crew go faster than him... what makes you think he will help you for money. carl did some pumps for a few people on the form ask them to post some of there speeds.LOL..LOL..LOL..LOL..and..LOL

You guys have got to be sh!tting me! You want Carl to give you a written guarantee of performance gain for a mod that you dont even believe exists? r u serious? who does that? what aftermarket part or mod does? in writing no less? what did you buy for you ski that did? what did u buy or have done that came with a written guarantee of how many MPH you are going to gain by using that product? name one? What does your written Guarantee that Riva gave you for their trim tabs say? how much faster does it go? 2mph? What about the written guarantee you have from protec on THIER pump blueprinting? 1mph? 6mph?? how many did they guarentee? geez with all your mods- u must have a stack of them! do u see how silly u sound? All this is over a mod that you know nothing about or even think exists! so u further challenge him to do the "secret mod" for YOU? and then you further insult him by offering to pay him? and only if he can prove it? ahead of time? in writing? are u f-ing for real? The guy already invited u to see him fly by you! in person. what more can you ask the guy?
the "talaban of speed" stuff IS funnier than **** though!! osama racing! funny!

P.S Carl did my pump and it goes 79. but I'm only yamabond, his IS faster,so ur right.

THANKS DOM to the rescue
dont want to advertise on the board---but there are services i offer for cust, just like any other shop---would i do the same "tricks" to pump,intake,tabs,sponsons,rideplate,for sales---no
Go ask anyone to build u a ski faster than their own--i can see it now--- "Yeah i want you to build me a ski that i want to beat you when i race you" yeah ok---try that one anywhere!"MR Hedlund-i know your from team A--Im from team B---but can you build my ski to beat you in the next race???ill pay you??? you have got to be kidding is right!Go ask Mr.Allison what hes doing to run 77+ on a single---trulry remarkable #-thats talent-see i think thats the way to go about this from now on---do the #'s, make them known---then shut up!!!---no problem
Getting tired of this whole thing now! see you boys on the water

Good Morning Guys!
Me too!! It's great to see the alliance formed here now, but after what I've seen and done........ even though I'm a GIRL <---- yes, branded at birth!! ugh!!!!!! I can appreciate everything everyone has done to accomplish numbers although some are different than others??? But's it's a great feeling everyday when I wake up knowing that SPEED is on my side!!! After all......being a rider has it's bene's and just waiting to see how much faster I can go!!

ill say it agian...............topend boats are just that top end boats . all around boats are all around boats. can we let this go? ive already beat this to death months ago ! hehehehe

Yep, guess you know more than Solas, and Skat Trak and Nujetand others. I guess all there R&D departments have have not done much!! Oh wait, this is the aftermarket performace division. Guess the pink slips will be going out soon cause they can't get these results with all thier labs and computers and engineers!!

Kill this B.S. thread, Its a discrace to the sport!

Im switching from boots to hip waiders now!!!

Riva, close shop, don't need your stage 2 anymore either!!!!

God I can't stop laughing, tears in my eyes. Is it April 1st?

Pump mods and 10 mph and no motor mods at all hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

Go sell it on E-bay, thats where this type of exageration plays!!!

I have a 1990 Kawi TS that does 94 mph, it does it does cause I said so!!! (secret handle bar mod!!)

Radar prooves nothing, you could have been going downstreem in an 8 knot current to create these numbers!! (I have seen it done, its called fraud)

Lets get back to real ok!! Peace

LMFAO

I believe Carl...There were discussions on this site last summer on pump mods. Real interesting stuff.... Carl doesn't advertise on this site..so what would be his reason for mis-representing the facts ??? I believe that we are all in agreement that the pump/intake grate leaves a lot to be desired. Does it not. Pump plug kits to fill voids from the factory..intake grates to stabilize and increase hookup..ride plates, trim tabs and the sponsons balancing act between performance and porpoising....looks like Carl has the right combo....The after mkt people arent going to share the intel with you for obvious reasons. Do you guys remember the hydrogen fuel internal combustion engine/car?? Well what happened to it??? If that existed our energy supply and environmental issues would be moot. Right??? Well I saw the thing run back in 74 in Science class!! Get this water in the fuel tank and the emmisions was condensation. So why arent we fillin up at the faucet?? There is no money in it... Why isn't the pwc aftermkt folks sharing or pushing these type of mods?? There is no money in it...just my two cents

I think everyone here knows me well enough to tell you that the only racing I do is with 30+ foot speed boats and 200+hp bass boats. THatsa all the racing I can get around here. I am in Louisville, KY. THere is not any ijsba events even close. I also never said I wanted any kind of gaurantee. I just ask how much would it cost me to get some pump work done. THats all. As far as spreading the secrets of the pump work you would do to my pump, well I guess you would have to just trust me on that one. I will have paid you for the work and thats where is stops. If someone wants to know what was done, they can have you do the work for them (if you do, or not) it's up to you. I just want to see where this GPR can go. Actually around here I will most likely never run into anyone from this board anyway. Well maybe DaveDaman

Hey Will, how far you live from Tim (DMD)??? I thought you two live vey close to each other

Waverunner and clones, I thought this was a performance forum, and yes I was serious when I ask if you would be interested in doing pump mods for me. I use this forum to help find mods that work. I was a little skeptical that you would be interested in doing any mods for me or anybody not connected to you, not because of the racing excuse, but because you probably don't believe you can get a boat like mine to perform like you claim with just pump mods. No Riva doesn't make guarantee's, but all performance shops that make any mod and speed claims always make their boats available to unbiased people in the industry for testing and reporting of the results. When you see these results you know that it's being duplicated and backed up. So I guess if you won't do any of your magic on my ski for a price, then get someone in the watercraft industry to document your ski's performance results either by an article in a performance mag. or some racing results, as in winning some races, endurance or closed course, this would end any doubt about your speed claims. Since I understand that your boat with just pump mods is quite a bit faster than everybody else's with bolt on mods available on the market, this should be no problem. I know that if it was me making a claim like yours that I would be receiving skepticle beliefs from fellow speed freaks until I could demonstrate to all who doubted with results of some kind. I don't claim to be the most knowledgable performance guru, thats why I pay a tuner to do my work, but when I ask the professionals about your claims of pump mods speed gains, 70+ mph, they always laugh at me. Waverunner, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or derogatory just expressing my opinion on this subject, since it keeps coming up. Looking forward to seeing your name and ski in articles or winning some races. rpfossil

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Originally posted by gprracer:
Hey Will, how far you live from Tim (DMD)??? I thought you two live vey close to each other

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Tim is about 6 hours away. He is in upper Indiana, I am in kentucky. Close??? Kinda.

WIll

That was well put by rpfossil. I agree with him 100%.

Carl,

You should patent your ideas. I would be willing to bet Yamaha or another OEM would pay handsomly. Just thinking logically they could make more efficient waverunners that didn't require as much horsepower hence less pollution, less operating costs etc.

That would be a sweet job. An R&D Specialist for Yamaha getting royalties on a patent.

I would think about if I were you.

Then the rest of us rec riders could enjoy the fruits of your labor without you getting ripped off.

WIN WIN

Depends on the manufacturing cost. Who says Yamaha cant do it already. A nice ski is going for about 10 grand out the door. How much are people willing to shell out. Sure there will always be the guys (and gals) who would willingly throuw out the money but would generate enough profit to justify the tooling changes required to make a handful of "High Performance" Machines. It would be cheaper to have aftermarket folks do the work manually. Most of my engine knowlegde is 4 stroke so I am just speculating about 2 stroke. Look at head work, a really good port and polish is tedious manual work. I would that that the same applies to nozzles, intakes, etc. Also the idea may not be patentable. Again it goes back to economics. The idea might already by out there but its not something that can be done on an assembly line, instead it takes a few hours work....flowbench(or whatever the test would be)......some more work.....flowbench.....and so on. Very small changes can make huge differences. What hull modifications if any have been done to the ski in question?

Dang I really need to start proof reading.

Plinks,

Beleive me if Yamaha can already do it at least 60% would have been done. 8-10 mph gain same horsepower. Amazing !!! Yamaha could have taken a huge proportion of the market from the Kawasaki Ultra, Sea Doo RXX,RX, and XP. Why would they wait? Simple economics would tell them to go for it. Every gear head in here would pay a couple grand more for the ski. Thats what we pay after we buy the ski. Why bother with all the trials and errors of doing it yourself. Being in a competitive industry do you think Yamaha would wait for Kawasaki to do it, or Honda, or any other manufacturer?

Casting isn't that tough a process. I imagine they go with a lost wax system.

With a 155 mm pump in most of their best sellers the cost of improvement could be spread over a lot of product. Thats where MIM (metal injection molding) or advanced processing would come in.

Now for patentability. If it can't be patented someone else has patented it or it is as the lawyers say "prior art or obvious". Improvements to existing equipment or process' can be patented.

If its 100 little secrets all working together its in Carl's best interest to keep them to himself. It would require too many patents to be cost effective.

I would just like Carl to be protected so we can all enjoy some of his secrets at a fair price. Aren't we supposed to be Yamaha brethren out whipping up on Ultra's ?

It could be a big ego boost for him as well. Watching his waverunners eat up the competition on tv. That would be a big high fiver !!!

liquid---if you had your ski here within 15 minutes it would be running consistant 74's to 75's that you could see for your own eyes----- for those of you who are still skeptical, and want to do some of your own homework---heres a little hint---there IS speed to be gained from every single component under your hull and even the hull itself-not all of the speed comes from the pump stator veins as some of you mistook that all the speed comes from-you have to look at the whole package-pump,impellor,intake grate,exit nozzle,steering nozzle,rideplate,trim tabs,sponsons,wear ring,hull trueness-- if you "experts" arent seeing the light by now then all hope is lost----hear what i have to say---there is speed to be found in every single part under there!!!!!----just as easily as you lose a mile from bolting up a set of trim tabs--for ex---you dont think for a minute that you couldnt gain a mile from a "custom" set---please
Now all you can go back to insulting me, im going back to make S@#T even faster------later

one other IMPORTANT thing i forgot to mention --is riding ability----all of you do know how to find the "sweet spot" on the gpr when making a radar pass dont you???????keep trying different riding positions---youll find it eventually
Next thing people will want to pay me for riding lessons