So your saying Yamaha builds junk from the factory, good to know! Just curious what your top speed was before your magic mods!!

Carl,
Good talking to you on the phone. I would like to send you an OEM pump, you do your magic and I will test it on my SS. If it does what you say, You will have my pump business. Your secret will be safe with me.
I will post radar results before and after. Then there will be no questions left. Let me know.

It is not my intention to insult you and never has been. With that out of the way, You are saying that it is a total package under the ski. Cool, I can live with that. If thats the case then will you make me a custom set of tabs, mod my plate, grate, pump, and stearing nozzle for me? How much? I am very interested. Email me if you would rather tell me personnaly. I just want more speed. Well, Alot more speed!!!

Carl........What "grit size" of sandpaper are you using on the bottom of the last 3 feet of the hull. Also do you prefer circular motion or linear as you rough the surface of the gel coat.

On the tabs.....are you using a belt sander to finish up or attempting a polish.

On the ride-plate....again, using a belt sander or polish finish?

Just curious......you'll get different results.

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Carl.......almost forgot, do you prefer the 14/20.5 over the 14/21? If you could elaborate on why you prefer one over the other....would appreciate it.

how much gas is in the boat when the radaring is done and how much bow lift are you getting? with the parts you are modifying under the boat how is handling ??

man i had this whole big thing typed up and i lost it----darn computers
to sum it up again fast
Brian-no problem-id like to get some feedback on how my bluepring works for others-wont be a replica of whats in my personal skis though---you know where we stand on that.
DMD-was saying that what i prefer and whats gonna work in your ski are two diff things-if you looking to get the most top with your new setup you gotta narrow those props to the 1/4---dont forget that if you go "over the edge" by even a 1/4 you can lose some serious speed and R's-try both of those props---but dont always think that going steeper=going faster-------sometimes going backwards helps
liquid-sorry---you know how i feel about giving out mods on my personal skis-------man, i told you where to look,do some work instead of bolting stuff on all the time, im telling you again you will go faster.------i know,iknow everyone wants exactly...well..................
have a nice day

I hear you Carl.I know what you mean about not the same as my boat,been there before.Just the mod you do for others.
If I test the pump mod,people will have another opinion to base this issue on. As soon as I have another pump I will let you know. I will need your address for shipping. Send me an email with the info.

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oh sorry i forgot my buddy dana----ill admit the ski had very little gas when it hit the #'s and getting a lot of lift---like you said the ski was not a closed course, ripyour arms out skibut with a full to the brim tank it was always in the mid 71,s---thats real world--# are always going to vary---people just dont want to accept the fact that it went that fast on that particular day----i had to make many passes i wanted that 73--im sure you know what thats like---72.9 72.8 72.9 72.9 then bang 73.1-----it did it, the #dont lie and dont care if anyone believes it or not
im probably done posting on here for a good while--sorry that a few has to ruin it for the many----but you all know howto reach me-
but dont worry summer's almost here --thats when the truth comes out.
to some i say thanks
to some i say ki$$ my @$$
and this summer you will be reading on the @$$ of my wetsuit
(ISL)(AND)...as i go bye
later

sounds like racing words to me!!!
LET THE GAMES BEGIN,
we have great riding here in long island's south shore,would love to hook up with some of the fast ski's on the board,as far as u dana,,bring that triple pipe monster to the salt water,its not gonna melt(u wuss)and the brooklyn girls are gonna get a serious A** kicking this summer,(all in Fun),,i hope that 1500cc blender ur building runs,,cause i know for a FACT the Island Racing ski's will be ,,,,,,,,,,

Roland 2000 gpr triple pipe PUMP gas REC ROCKET,,,

Ok Carl ..your certainly know the bottom of your GPR and those parts that bolt to it. Do you seriously think your audience here is just going to believe a guy telling them they can get a 7 to 9 mph increase just by making some important mods without any indication of maybe just what one of those mods might be??

What do you expect from the forum members??

Would you believe me if I said that positioning the pump and ride plate an inch further back on the hull will give a GPR 7 mph?? Without any significant proof or some credibility, what do you expect..your going to get disbelief.

Now I know that most on this board openly share ideas to increase the performance of their GPR, thats the purpose of the board, however you feel its ego fulfilling to just brag about a top speed for a stocker yet never produce any reliable details that would provide some credibility to your hype.

You obviously know anyone of us could easily kick your but regardless of what you have in your garage... all it takes is the willingness to spend some cash and you can buy all the speed you want..just contact Rius to build a replica of his GPR and pay the price for speed .. money will get you anything you want. You have to know that.

However you seem to get this thrill out of posting an unbelievable speed with a stock GPR and then the follow-up posts that result.

Don't they have boards for people that get a thrill out of bragging yet never producing anything but mere BS??

I tried to give you the opportunity to prove something to me, just as others have done, and perform some of your miracles on my ski for money. Apparently they are just hype and ego fulfilling because you just squirmed away from that idea.


Gentlemen start your engines! I mean flames!

guys, carl has hung him self to dry!!! your looking to deep into something that is so shallow. i was a non believer in the pump mod until now... carl...i've done some thinking and a lot of looking....take it from the top and put it on the bottom???

the girls want to thank you for the extra ??mph!!!

THE WESTERN ALLIANCE

sorry roland no salt ! plus i may be having my 3rd major back surgery in the near future and i may have to put the ski up this summer , but i wont know till the doctors figure out what happened , the one good thing is that the rods and screws in my back have not failed , but maybe another disc though .
carl,
dont run away now , things are getting good !

mdkoche.............


It's spelled T-A-U-N-T-I-N-G.


Catches up to people everytime. Kinda sad to see someone with some "possible" talent use it in this sort of way. We make the beds we lay in though don't we.

Carl,are we still talking about a stock GPR here? Seems like some of the feed back is on Modded and triple pipe ski's. I'm beginning to get confused. As for the advise on where to look for those hidden MPH's, already been down that road several times. Yes ther are some gains to be found in the nozzle,pump,intake,tabs,sponsons,etc. but if I understand you correctly, you are claiming to be getting 73mph on a stock ski with these improvements. And since I did not get the kind of gains that you did, I'm a little bit curious as to how you managed to do it when no body else can. I did get my ski up to 72.2 mph but that was with engine and your speed tips, which I already was using with the help of Riva,Fercho, my tuner, and some of the people at Bullet Racing. Try to understand my skeptism, but I need to see some kind of backing up of your claims by a reliable sorce. I'm all for speed improvements but I'm also not going to turn my quest into a search for the holy grail. One could wind up like that lady from Japan, I believe, that came over here to the US looking for a lost treasure, that she saw a movie about, and died from exposure while looking for the treasure. Hope to see you fulfilling your promises of kicking some but in the upcoming season, because if you do then there will be some proof of your claims. Let us know what races you will be competing in so we can check the results. And no thanks on the offer for driving lessons, but my tuner who has been racing for over 20 yrs gives me free advice and he even placed 3rd in the 785 expert class at Havasue in 2000. Carl, all I am asking is backup your talk with some kind of results and there would be no questions. End of subject. rpfossil

carl ,
i think i remember you said something about certain parts of the male anatomy and talk, can you enlighten me about whether you were talking about me or yourself? hehehehe its all in fun right?
also , about your stocker, so let me see if im getting this . your knife edging the stator, tons of bow lift(lots of making the stock parts get the lift)polishing the exhaust manifold and other port matching? no gas, very low rpms,work on stock carbs, body weight way off the back of the boat but not superman position..........so am i incorrect in saying the boat accelerates like a yugo and handles like one as well? gprs accelerate like a stone to begin with so i can only guess how a stock compression,stock cdi,polished pumped gpr takes off. but like i said its a top end boat right?
all in fun carl, all in fun .

read what carl writes, its all there.

ive been doing some testing of my own....let me ask you all this:

if you were out street racing....do you tell the guy your racing that your running 20psi of boost and a 462" motor??

i doubt it....maybe you would say its a 396 with a small amount of boost say under 10psi.....

he who crosses the line first wins. thats all that matters.

take your trim tabs off and go for a ride. take good gps numbers before and after....it will make you think about that that one part of your boat. all the info is here on this forum. all u have to do is put the pieces together.......and think about it.

Hop, that's my point. Carl has not suggested anything new that has not alresdy been tried once or maybe twice. There are some gains to be had with all these bottom of the boat mods, but to claim to be getting 8 to 10 mph increase on a stock ski is quite a bit more than I have found from these mods which makes me wonder if all the people helping me make my ski go are missing something. Being that these people that I use have many years experience in the racing business, driving, tuning, and constantly trying new tricks on their own ski's, I have to ask Carl to Prove his claims with some kind of documentation for me to see before I go on a wild goose chase. Also if you have noticed, I have always kept my responses on this post at a very civil manner and in no way am I saying that Carl's ski is not as fast as he claims. Its just that the tips or advice I'm reading are not about anything new as far as improvements go. So I have to wonder what other kind of mods he has done. Thats the great thing about America, people here are generally educated and will ask questions when something seems to good to be true. One more time, All Carl has to do is put his claims to the test or challenge that everybody is making and the doubts will stop. Remember the Taliban said they were going to destroy America, but that claim has seemed to have more air than substance. rpfossil

rp,hop is correct and so are you.....rp the key word you said is "improvement" . is it an improvement when you sacrafice stability for mph? is it an improvement when you sacrafice handling for mph ? is it an improvement when you sacrafice bottom end for mph? is it an improvement when you sacrafice choppy water hook up( even slight chop)?i guess the answer could be yes and no, but the question is , are the sacrafices in moderation or extreme? it all depends on the person that owns the boat on whether or not if he or she feels comfortable with what the sacrafices were to get to the goal . it was obvious from the beginning that carl builds good top end boats but the problems start when he would not explain anything to anyone on how he got there , nor did he really have too . but its a double edge sword in a way ........if he tells people all the details he would get slammed for the overall performance of the boats, then again by keeping quite and failing to disclose any info has the same results. im sure carl does great work and im sure he and the others in li are great people , and like i said top end boats are just that top end boats and there is nothing wrong with that at all , some people like doing that and there is nothing wrong with it, **** who does not like going fast? most people in the forum want the arm stretching aceleration with speed , but there are also others that dont care about speed at all and just want the acelleration . to each his own is like the old saying goes ...personally i like a good all around package and like to get to top speed in a **** hurry ! we should let this thread go and let people make up their own minds on what they want to do with their boats .when i spoke with carl on the phone before ,he came across as a very nice person and wants to have fun doing what he is doing , we ALL need to remember that what may be ok for us may not be ok for others and visaversa .

Dana,

who is the politically correct imposter that is posting under your name?